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Ricky Daniels
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posted November 08, 2009 06:47 AM

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/3d-week

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 08, 2009 12:04 PM

I was alerted to this by a friend a few days ago. I've put in my bid for fame, as they were asking for ten second clips to use in trailers. Anybody interested enough can find my efforts hereish:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mrtivuk&search_type=&aq=f

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Graham Sinden
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posted November 08, 2009 12:20 PM

I have some of the glasses they provide but they are dark blue and amber ??

any thoughts

Graham S

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 08, 2009 12:39 PM

They're using the Colorcode system Graham. Blue/amber as you say. Basically it's an alternative form of anaglyph to the usual red/cyan and the green/magenta that has seen a recent resurgence. Colour is retained pretty faithfully, but at the loss of one hellofalot of light!

Tiv

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Graham Sinden
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posted November 08, 2009 12:50 PM

I know its the colour code system but I thought that the blue was too 'dark' and that it would darken the picture too much. I will have to wait and see. Its just diffenent from the usual light blue and green with red.

Graham S

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 08, 2009 12:57 PM

There are a few clips encoded in ColorCode 3D on their site: http://www.colorcode3d.com/gallery/ if you want to check the efficiency of the glasses.

Tiv

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Graham Sinden
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posted November 08, 2009 03:23 PM

My apoligizes Paul, now I realize what the colour code system is. I mistook Colourcode as just being another name for old anaglyph system of red-blue or red-green, that was the confusion. Now I can see why the colours of the glasses are just that.

Many thanks for putting me strait Mr 3D expert [Wink]

Graham S

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted November 09, 2009 03:39 AM

Very cool initiative on Channel 4's end.

The Colorcode system works fine. A few years ago some 3D roller coaster videos (first on laserdiscs then DVD) were released and I was pretty impressed with the quality of the system and its ability to retain the original colours.

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 09, 2009 03:46 AM

Hi Jean-Marc. There was also Ghosts Of The Abyss, which was released on dvd in ColorCode, but only in Japan for some reason. That one's pretty impressive too.

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Ricky Daniels
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posted November 12, 2009 08:40 AM

Hi Paul,

I have a copy of the 3D DVD of 'Ghosts of the Abyss' that I purchased from Amazon Japan, the ColorCode 3D doesn't work on this DVD (projected using a D65 colour calibrated projector) which is a shame as the IMAX presentation was very impressive.

Good luck with your Ch4 entry [Smile]

Rick

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Paul Adsett
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posted November 12, 2009 09:31 AM

Paul,
Could you please explain the Colorcode system, and how it differs from the normal red-green Anaglyph system?

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Martin Jones
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posted November 12, 2009 12:53 PM

Paul (Adsett),

This will probably help

http://www.3djournal.com/001/artic38.php
( must read it myself, sometime!).
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Paul Tivy
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posted November 12, 2009 02:02 PM

Nice article that, Martin. Saved me a job! It is basically a souped up anaglyph system, but as it's a patented process it's extremely difficult to find out exactly what the improvements are. They don't even tell you, except in general terms on ColorCode's own web site!

Rick, I have the japanese Ghosts Of The Abyss dvd too. I didn't bother to project it, but it looked quite good on my (32" LCD) TV. Some ghosting though. Thanks for wishing me good luck. In fact Channel 4 has picked four of the five clips I submitted and fingers crossed, they will be broadcast next week. It's not guaranteed though, as the resolution may not be good enough. I was caught on the hop in Holland and the only camera I had with me was my Fuji W1. Mainly a stills camera, it's maximum resolution for video is only 640X480. The stop-frame animation clip however was created using the photo mode in much higher resolution, so I'm on safer ground there.

Tiv

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Martin Jones
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posted November 12, 2009 02:29 PM

Paul (Tivy),
Here's another one you may not have seen...trawl around the Site, not just this page.

http://www.the3drevolution.com/3dscreen.html#lensadapter

Martin.

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Graham Sinden
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posted November 12, 2009 02:34 PM

I take it then that this channel 4 documentry on the queens coronation wasnt originally filmed in colorcode. Was it filmed in anaglyph and converted on a computer to the colourcode system? If this is the case, personally I would rather see the queens footage in the original colours even if it is is slightly inferior.

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 12, 2009 02:43 PM

Graham, the film would originally have been filmed with a two camera (or equivalent two lens) rig and projected in full colour on a polarised screen. It's common myth that 3D films of the '50s were projected in anaglyph and they certainly weren't filmed that way. Here's a fun page which lists this and other myths associated with 3D:

http://www.3dfilmpf.org/info-top-10-3D-myths.html

Tiv

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Graham Sinden
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posted November 12, 2009 03:16 PM

Paul, thanks for putting me right again. Yes youre right that when I think of 3D films of the 50s and 60s I just instantly think of Red-Blue and Red-Green films purely because that is all I ever see. I could list loads of them Creature, Mad magician, Three stooges, Trafalguar square, Audioscopiks, Came from outer space, etc. All filmed with the Analyglyph, and super 8 is lucky to have many titles in 3D.

I did once see a demonstration of Polorarized 3D many years ago at the NFT in london. Some were on 16mm in the 'doorframe' format. I was impressed but the picture was so narrow you had to be clever in the shots taken to make a worthwhile film.

I cant wait to see the queen documentry, glasses ready waiting.

Graham S

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 12, 2009 03:31 PM

I was lucky enough to see House Of Wax and Dial M For Murder at the NFT in polarised projection a few years ago and the effect was much better than any anaglyph presentation I've seen. I have a field sequential projection system myself, which is almost as good, but polarised is definitely the best!

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 12, 2009 03:32 PM

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Paul Tivy
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posted November 19, 2009 12:42 PM

Got confirmation today that Channel 4 will be showing one of my 3D clips after Friday The 13th Part III tomorrow night. They didn't say which one though.

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Darren Payne
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posted November 24, 2009 06:19 AM

Paul, great link to those 3D 'myths'. I was fortunate enough to show House of Wax at the Cannon Southampton, during the 1989 Film Festival. The 35mm print had a full frame polarized vertically squeezed image.

We had to be inventive and use the polarized lens with an anamorphic attachment to unsqueeze the image back to 1.33:1 (or there abouts!)

Luckily the silver screen was still in place in screen 1 from the earlier mid eighties 3D revival and remember cranking up the 2K xenon current (90 amps plus!) to get as much light as we could.

Great fun.

Darren

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Ricky Daniels
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posted November 29, 2009 05:55 AM

Darren,
You screened the anamorphic side-by-side re-release print so no problems with sync drift! Paul, (and I) saw the NFT screening of HOW in Dual projection polarised with an intermission for a 6000' reel change just like the original release and I must say the print was superb.

Paul,
Congratulations on your trial screening, I saw it pop-up (or out!) twice and I have it on DVD now ;-)

Best,
Rick

[ May 06, 2011, 07:25 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

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