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Mikel Jenson
Film Handler

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From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted July 15, 2010 05:00 PM

How hard would it be to do DVD to film? I just think it would be kinda cool to have a print of well.. basically whatever film you wanted..

Or is this just way out of the question because you need some 80 million $ machine to achieve this?

Just a thought.
-Mikel Jenson

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Wayne Tuell
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posted July 15, 2010 06:07 PM

not hard at all, the quality will be OK however not perfect. Marco in Italy makes "replacement" footage for films missing scenes from digital files to 16mm at the cost 7 EUROS per minute.

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Mikel Jenson
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From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted July 16, 2010 02:08 AM

So is there any way I could do it like at my house? or would I have to go through this guy?

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Adrian Winchester
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posted July 16, 2010 06:20 AM

If you have a good 16mm camera and you have the technical resources to copy what he does (sorry, not sure what they are but there's a thread here somewhere that has a link to a YouTube slip showing the process), then you could do it at home. But keep in mind that people use his services to buy a few seconds of replacement footage for 16mm features - it would be a very expensive way to get a film copy of even something as short as a trailer.

I believe there's a lab in Germany that advertises a digital to Super 8 service but I've never heard of anyone using this.

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Steve Klare
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posted July 16, 2010 08:04 AM

There's a place in Toronto that does digital to Super-8 transfers:

http://www.blackandwhitefilmfactory.com/

(Click "Super-8" and scroll to the bottom of the page.)

It's $50 to set up and $60 per minute after that, which adds up pretty quickly.

Then once your transfer is complete, you'd need to get it striped and then record the sound.

If I worked that machine and I saw copyrighted material being sent to film, I'd want to stop the transfer right then and there. Nothing spoils your work day like a bunch of lawyers out in the lobby.

[ July 16, 2010, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: Steve Klare ]

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Adrian Winchester
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posted July 18, 2010 06:15 PM

That's fascinating but I'd love to know the sort of motivation that someone might have to (e.g.) spend $170 having a silent copy made of 2 minutes of DVD.

If someone wanted a Super 8 copy of a trailer money was no object, and they could get it striped and recorded, I don't think legal issues could be a problem in view of trailers being generally considered copyright free - hence their frequent usage in documentaries. And I've never heard of any of the many Super 8 distributors who have sold trailers ever having a problem as a result of this.

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Bill Phelps
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posted July 18, 2010 06:44 PM

Well, during most of the 90's I shot alot of video and compiled quite a few "shorts" and I could see some value of having a "print" of one of these to enjoy in my cinema instead of on my TV.

Bill [Smile]

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Mikel Jenson
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posted July 18, 2010 06:46 PM

so does anyone know what kinda machine or whatever you need to make a print from a dvd or vhs copy of a film?

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Steve Klare
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posted July 18, 2010 08:10 PM

The main idea behind the service that Black and White Film Factory offers isn't just transfer of footage to film, but tranfer of digital images of all kinds to film. For example if you send them a bunch of digitally composed title frames, they'll do your titling, including some special effects that are hard to achieve.

Agreed, the price is steep: at that rate I'll stick to doing my own the old fashioned way. By the same token they have been offering this service for about five years, so it must be paying its way with somebody.

They say they can transfer digitally edited films captured on Super-8 back to Super-8 for projection. I wonder how often they are asked to do this.

This has me thinking about an old project I've had on the back burner for years now. I have a film that would be improved with some old footage I have on DVD. I could film it off the screen in real time, but I'd probably get scan bars rolling up the screen.

So I was playing around with my DVD player yesterday and I found out I could play a DVD at 1/20th speed. One of my cameras can do time lapse resulting in 20 times speed at normal projection speed. This would return the footage to full speed and place the scan bars at random places on each frame making it harder for the brain the notice them.

The images are black and white and silent so there are no audio or color issues to fight, and I only need maybe 30 seconds so it won't take forever either.

I'm not saying it won't came out awful anyway, it just seems like an interesting experiment.

B&W Film Factory is using a Kinescope:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinescope

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Mikel Jenson
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posted July 18, 2010 08:19 PM

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So I was playing around with my DVD player yesterday and I found out I could play a DVD at 1/20th speed. One of my cameras can do time lapse resulting in 20 times speed at normal projection speed. This would return the footage to full speed and place the scan bars at random places on each frame making it harder for the brain the notice them.

The images are black and white and silent so there are no audio or color issues to fight, and I only need maybe 30 seconds so it won't take forever either.

I'm not saying it won't came out awful anyway, it just seems like an interesting experiment.

that seems like it could really work.. if you do this you should find some way to post it or screen it somehow so we can see how it looks..

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Steve Klare
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posted July 18, 2010 08:24 PM

That would be a transfer from DVD to film to DV and then probably posted on You Tube.

If it ever comes to it I'll just let you know what happens...

Wayyyy too many projects!

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Mikel Jenson
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From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted July 18, 2010 09:00 PM

LOL! I defiantly know what you mean [Razz]

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