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Osi Osgood
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- posted January 24, 2013 01:01 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Does anybody know of any super 8 collectors or super 8 forums in japan?

I would totally like to find out just what super 8 optical sound releases (and otherwise) there were in Japan. I do have a super 8 optical print of "Hooper" that was made for japan, english optical sound but japanese subitles, and i have also seen a STAR TREK 4 super 8 optical print, (in fact a screenshot for it is somewhere back on this very forum from years ago! Somewhere around 2004, coul someone find it, as it was very interesting as it had TWO optical soundtracks on it, on both edges of the film, one japanese, one english).

I wouldn't be surprised if there are full length "Godzilla" films circulating around in japan!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Osi, there is big super 8 communities in Japan both for film packging and film shooting.

If you google you will see that there are a lot of equipments that is not circulating worldwide such as Sankyo OMS that is stereo and optical machine to compete with ST-1200.

Then GS1200 optical only projector or GS1200 player only projecor, etc, etc.

The only thing with Japanese, they don't speak English so they tend not to join the English speaking forum.

About your Star Trek IV picture, here we go:

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This is very rare optical print with dual language. See the second otpical track between the sprockets. I don;t know what optical projector capables to read the second track.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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- posted January 24, 2013 07:25 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Remember that little film and book that Doug had obtained from
Japan of one of their monster films, I know that there were
versions of these films by Osawa Shokai abridged versions of GODZILLA, RODAN,, plus some episodes of Chaplin & Keaton.
Sun Graph had 400' versions of ULTRA MAN.
Fuji Eizo System Co. Ltd handled 300' versions of films like
"LAWRENCE OF ARABIA", "HIGH NOON","FRENCH CONNECTION 1&2", "THE PROFESSIONALS" & "SOUND OF MUSIC"
All films have Opt. tracks,but cassettes of the soundtrack were available for those that didn't have sound projectors.
Quality was excellent as they were made from 35mm negatives
prices were higher than the west.No magnetic versions.
Toei Educational Films released samurai and cartoon subjects
all other dist. released folk tales or porn.

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Patrick McGrath
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- posted January 24, 2013 07:54 PM      Profile for Patrick McGrath   Email Patrick McGrath   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Interesting subject. I have found many good projectors in used electronics stores like a mint Yashica P810 Mag/Opt and my newest find, an Elmo ST180 mag/opt, along with other odd, unknown units.

Films are another story. I usually seek out vintage shops to find Godzilla/Ultraman items(or Edo period stuff), and while there are many things to see, including vinyl records, I have never seen a film.

I wonder where they are?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted January 24, 2013 08:26 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
I wonder where they are?
In the collectors' hand, for sure.

Japan was also known to release their own films on super 8 format both optical and magnetic sound.

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Laksmi Breathwaite
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I have a 200 reel of RODAN from Japan and I know they have Godzilla. If you sent them a invite in Japanese they might join the forum. Fōramu ni sanka shite kudasai -

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Joe Caruso
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That looks like my box...

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Osi Osgood
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Thanks for finding that screenshot. Isn't that marvelous? Two optical tracks on one super 8 optical sound film, though I dare say that the fidelity and levels of the second smaller track must not have been good, though not much sounded good on those blasted headphones back then, (still not that impressive today).

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Patrick McGrath
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Laksmi: Yoroushiku onegaishimasu.

Anybody else a student of Japanese here?

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Pasquale DAlessio
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oregato gasamas

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Laksmi Breathwaite
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Hey Joe what to you know we got the same box? Sore wa subarashii kotoda

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Terry Lagler
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There must be lots of cool Japanese releases. Saved this image from Ebay years ago - how I would love to have this!

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Cheers
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Pasquale DAlessio
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Love that art work!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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If you are also vinyl collector, you will see that Japanese albums of the same english version have more impressive artwork cover. They used thicker material then English version plus the "Obi". Inside also will have a long note (linear note) about the artists, although in Kanji.

No wonder Japanese albums are more expensive with the same album released in western countries.

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Osi Osgood
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... and when it comes to films that the Japanese like far more than the rest of thwe world, they will release they're own release of it in a far better version than what we get in the US.

A good example of this was the Japanese laserdisc release of the 1989 "SlipStream" (starring Mark Hamill and directed by "TRON" Lisberger). Every DVD copy even the decent looking ones, are taken from a full frame 35MM, but the Japanese special edition laserdisc was a true letterboxed widescreen edition of the film, in english sound but with japanese subtitles and it has by far the best iamge of this film. I believe that there is a you tube video that shows off a short sequence from the japanese disc and if your a fan of this film (as I am) ou should seek it out.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Regarding vinyls,I have quite a few from all over the world,I never
noticed any difference in the sleeve quality, these are soundtrack
albums, the winners hands down have got to be the Italians, who
usually have either a large booklet filled with stills, or a full colour
sleeve with pages of colour photos.Any Japanese albums I have are
just the standard gate fold, no extras.

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Patrick Walsh
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I would presume there is a good 8mm following in Japan, they did make most of the projectors we use today [Wink]
Their 35mm machines they make are amazing quality.

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Patrick McGrath
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Not to be the PC police here
but can we refrain from using the term jap?
It is widely recognized as derogatory and being married
to a Japanese woman means I must protest.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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No offence intended Patrick,post has been amended.

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Patrick McGrath
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Thank you, Hugh.

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Christian Bjorgen
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I agree with the others on terms of artwork here, I collect vinyls and often end up purchasing Japanese releases on eBay, most recently a Japanese 180g re-print of the Beatles "Please Please Me", which came in a gatefold version with extra images, lyrics and info.

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Joerg Polzfusz
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Hi,

you can see some Japanese releases here:
http://www.geocities.jp/maru_ba99/page013.html
(Fujifilm also released films on Super8 in Japan, e.g. Star Wars (as a three-reeler))

The Japanese are mainly using "Yahoo Auctions" instead of eBay. Here's the link to the film-device-section (with a few films in it - there's most likely a separate section for the films):
[URL=http://category.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/list/8%E3%83%9F%E3%83%AA-%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A0%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9-%E5%85%89%E5%AD%A6%E6 %A9%9F%E5%99%A8-%E5%AE%B6%E9%9B%BB-AV-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9/2084041672/?fr=auc-prop&tab_ex=commerce&p=8%E3%83%9F%E3%83%AA]Yahoo[/URL]

Jörg

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Guy Taylor, Jr.
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I wonder how the color looks on these films made in Japan. They are likely Fuji.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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They are fading to red like other films. Fuji will also fade against purplish.

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Alan Rik
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Back in the day when i use to collect albums I too have noticed the Japanese pressings had higher quality offerings. My brother use to go to Japan and buy old Chicago albums and the Japanese versions had posters inside, lyric sheets, Obi Strip, and the cardboard used was thicker. I asked him why he spent so much money on the albums and he showed me the US version. No poster. No Lyrics. And the colors on the album cover didn't look as rich. He also said the Japanese pressings sounded better.
Interesting post about Japanese Vinyl Pressings here:
http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=25970
When I went to Hokkaido Japan I went looking to see if there was anything Super 8 related.The only thing I found was an ad in a magazine with the male model who was holding up a Fujica Single 8 camera. I think it was for Gin?
I would love to own Ultraman in Super 8!

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