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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 16, 2013 02:50 PM
Just to put this thing back in perspective, the pirating, crime thing
not that I'm a gangster, has always been there, during the time of prohibition, war was declared on Mr Al Capone, resident bad guy, but at least he provided soup kitchens for the starving poor, which is more than
the City Fathers of Chicago did. Proving, that everyone has a good
side, which is more than modern politicians have. Or is Doug gonna delete this thread too.
Piracey has gone on since man, the antiques following is tortured
by the fakes men, long before the Chinese latched on, this is
something that is now out there,I don't have too much sympathy with a locksmith that tells you how to pick a lock
then offers the same knowledge to all and sundry.The problem
is now the technology is working against them.
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Christian Bjorgen
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 996
From: Kvinnherad, Norway
Registered: Oct 2009
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posted July 16, 2013 04:29 PM
Didn't even read the terrorism part before I replied! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
I very much doubt that pirated films fund anything other than the pockets of those doing it. As someone who has grown up during the "age of piracy", I have seen everything from DVDrips to cheap Chinese DVDs, and at 50 cents/1 dollar a pop, they really don't fund anything. It's maybe a 10-30 cent profit for the seller, nothing more.
Pirated films funding terrorism is quite a stretch at best. If that WAS the case, then most pirated films would be from the parts of the world where terrorism is a problem, not China and Korea.
Ernie: In 2011, during a two week sick leave, I copied all of my DVDs to my computer to get shelf space. I "ripped" them all at 2000 kbits video and 256 kbit MP3 audio, because that was ideal as a size-quality ratio for a DVD. That made most of my films around 1,8 GB for two hours (so 900 MB/hour), and with very little quality loss, at least when viewed on my 46" TV or laptop (17"). You are of course very right when it comes to projectors!
I compared a 1080p film streamed via iTunes (7,5 mbit) to a BluRay (50 mbit) of the same film, both with projector, and it was a monumental difference!
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Robert Crewdson
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1031
From: UK
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted July 16, 2013 04:32 PM
There is also the loss of revenue to the film companies, and royalties to the actors. America must take some of the blame for this, they dominate the internet, and virtually every programme that you download is American. One day out of curiosity I searched to see it it was possible to override copy protected DVDs, and found a programme called DVD43, there are others.
A few years ago I purchased a box set of the Russian Sherlock Holmes , Vasily Livanov: one disc had a region error and would only play on the computer. It was too long to fit onto a blank DVD, but I found another free programme that reduced the size, without any noticeable (to me) loss of quality, and I was able to view the films on the TV.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 16, 2013 04:51 PM
I am going to put myself out on a limb here, but the USA, YES
the USA, has a lot to answer for, regarding piracey, me, I LOVE IT
you have this empire that you don't like anyone to mention, but
it's coming back to bite you in the arse, can't be bad.
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Greg Marshall
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 612
From: Nashville, TN USA
Registered: Sep 2008
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posted July 17, 2013 07:55 AM
I'm just saying to not discount the possibility of it funding big criminal activities. The funds are probably laundered, moved around and disguised as to its origin, and put into the pockets of people and organizations that help fund and support more criminal acts, terrorism included. I work for a bank. We hear of similar things like this all the time, while trying to prevent it. It is not an impossibility that the big business of copyrighted material piracy is included. We, on this level, the consumer, is not going to see it. If these types of criminals can find a source of cash to add to their bigger cash flow pot, they will do it. Just sayin'.
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Martin Jones
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1269
From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
Registered: May 2008
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posted July 17, 2013 09:08 AM
Ernie, you asked... "How exactly do plan to prove that BitTorrent funds terrorism? The highest volume of bootlegs (telesync, DVD/BluRay rips, and DVR rips) are put into consumer hands through torrenting. Simply because peer to peer networks are fast and pervasive. How does a free pirated download fund terrorism? Perhaps you misspoke when you said "download." Perhaps you were generalizing?
I don't condone piracy in principle and there are many ways to state how and why it shouldn't be done. I've never heard any claim, read any article, discussed with any politician, attended any panel that would substantiate the idea that it (free piracy) funds terrorism."
It's not the act of (free) downloading or free piracy in general that funds illegal activity, including terrorism, it's the SALE of the pirated discs produced from those activities that produces the funds. "Piracy" by definition is the stealing of the money due to the "intellectual owner" and diverting those funds to the benefit of others. Making copies by whatever means for one's own purposes WITHOUT paying for the source material is straightforward THEFT... because that also deprives the intellectual owner and his agents of their just remuneration.
Most people will come up with a variety of reasons why doing this hurts nobody (in order to justify their doing it) but the plain, unvarnished truth is.... it's THEFT.
Martin
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Ongoing interest in Telecine....
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Rob Young.
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1633
From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted July 18, 2013 06:11 PM
I once spent an awful time post-surgery in a Chinese hospital...
A mate bought me "Iron-Man" ...brand new UK cinemas, totally illegal, but very convincing copy, until I realised when the morphine wore off, it was an illegal copy and the the English "hard-of-hearing" sub-titles were hilariously bad!!!
Sorry, but please don't even entertain this rubbish.
Because, at the very least, a stooped Westerner will burst their stitches!!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Greg, I know I'm making light of a serious subject, and I stand by my comments.
Don't buy this rubbish, there is no point to do so.
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