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David Guest
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posted November 04, 2013 06:42 AM

re bfcc and blackpool re 6 months apart blackpool has always been in novemeber and will continue in November for many many many years to come

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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted November 04, 2013 06:55 PM

....it was not only November though-there was a time when DERANN had two events in Blackpool,wasn't it-one March, one November? Plus, in more recent years, when they dropped the March one, there was another initiative that month-just for a couple of times if memory helps? So it wasn't always an exclusively November event...

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Gary Brocklehurst
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posted November 05, 2013 03:50 AM

Hello Yanis!

How are you? Regarding single day March events over the years. Derann organised a few at Blackpool, these being replaced by a couple in Birmingham at the Strathallan Hotel

There is a chance that my wife and I will see you at Blackpool, although we can not commit 100% at present

Kindest Regards Always

Gary

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Maurice Leakey
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posted November 05, 2013 04:29 AM

I remember Derann at Birmingham, much smaller and much more friendly, and also much closer to me in Bristol.

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Barry Attwood
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posted November 06, 2013 05:31 AM

I really don't know what all the fuss is about, apart from the dedicated few who go to both Ealing and Blackpool, many who attend both will never likely go to the other event. It doesn't really matter that there is only 3 weeks or so in between, the fact that 2 events are scheduled and held should be the most important thing. I attended both for well over 20 years, and I could count easily how many ventured to both (not many at all). It may be more of a problem for the overseas visitors than those who live here, but I'm afraid that will never change, as these 2 dates seem to be the only viable proposition for both organisers, and we should applaud both for still giving this hobby the time and commitment they do.

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David Guest
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posted November 06, 2013 05:53 AM

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[ November 11, 2013, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: David Guest ]

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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted November 07, 2013 05:54 AM

...4 reasons I can fond for the remaining conventions to be held in some time distance from each other:
--BFCC's on a Saturday in London, where all roads lead to; Blackpool's on a Sunday in a less convenient space/time occasion,
so hard to travel on the day as in BFCC-accommodation needed...
--in conjunction to the above-finances: having spent what they have spent in BFCC, how many will travel to Blackpool & spend again in 3 weeks?
--foreign visitors: London being more convenient to fly to than Blackpool, how many will travel to the UK again in 3 weeks?
--finally, it's good, methinks, to have a comfort of 'time management' re; conventions. Once upon a time, when there were 4-5 such majors events, it was different as there was choice;now it's 'either-or', so I personally find it a bit strange not to have anything for 11 long months & then everything in 20 days...

...this is just an idea for the conventions' organizers to perhaps discuss? NOT an imperative on what SHOULD happen; after all, at the end of the day it's collectors that will decide on attendance. But wouldn't it be better if that attendance was made easier?

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David Guest
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posted November 08, 2013 04:08 PM

you can fly to blackpool you can fly to Liverpool then 40 mins on the train to blackpool you can fly to Manchester the less than an hour on the train .make a weekend in blackpool theres plenty to see including the worlds famous blackpool tower and forgetting the winter gardens

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Robert Crewdson
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posted November 08, 2013 04:47 PM

Yanis makes a good point, the conventions are too close together. UK, residents might have spent up, and holding another convention a few weeks later means that some who might want to attend can not. For overseas visitors it's an impossibility. I haven't attended any convention so I am not affected. I gather that you hold the Northern Convention traditionally in November, so maybe the BFCC could choose another date rather than October. Spring would probably be a good time as most people wouldn't be going away on their holidays then. Just a suggestion.

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David Guest
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posted November 08, 2013 06:37 PM

I could never change the month at blackpool as this business I am in keeps me busy every weekend from easter to 2nd week on November that is why it has to be in November ,bfcc changing to the spring would be a good move then it would make both conventions as good as each other

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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted November 10, 2013 06:43 AM

...an airport near to Blackpool isn't just as simple as that-how often there are flights to & from, how expensive they are, plus the short time from BFCC... it'd be a weekend anyway as it's not a one day event really.

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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted November 10, 2013 10:04 AM

....just thought I'd add that I kind of agree with Robert-BFCC had better be a spring event;but again,as he suggests,we can't but ask Keith & John to consider this-not to make a commitment....

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Graham Sinden
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posted November 10, 2013 03:48 PM

John Clancy has already stated that he cant do a spring BFCC anymore due to work commitments. So the event will have to stay in the autumn. I think we should just be glad that the BFCC is still going regardless of when it is.

Graham S

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David Guest
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posted November 10, 2013 03:52 PM

what about august

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Graham Sinden
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posted November 10, 2013 04:01 PM

Not many conventions happen in August mabye because more people are on holiday. It might be a risk to move it from October, but im sure many people would still turn out.

Graham S

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Michael O'Regan
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posted November 10, 2013 04:57 PM

Why do we need to move the BFCC? We should consider ourselves lucky if it continues at all.

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John Clancy
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posted November 11, 2013 03:39 AM

Okay, I don't post here any longer as a rule but I had been made aware that people were passing their opinions on this. The BFCC for years was in Spring and Winter but there are not enough of us collectors left for two per annum these days. For that Ruislip convention a few years ago we held it in Spring and it caused me significant losses so we could not do it again. Keith has agreed to hold it in October when I still lose out financially but a bit less than in Spring.

Please stop passing your opinions on when we hold the BFCC because you're just making me want to give up. I do this simply out of my own appreciation of the hobby and to try to help things tick along. If you can't make the BFCC in October then that's a shame. The new film fair in Blackpool David is running happens to be in November and that's fine but even David would not claim it is on the same scale as the BFCC, although I know from Robert Nichols there are improvements in the pipeline for this year. Please try to support it because if we give up on the BFCC (mainly because I can't afford to keep pumping time and money into it) that's all you'll have left.

I doubt I'll be checking in here again any time soon but a PM will still get me and I do still post on the new forum so you can communicate with me there.

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Paul Adsett
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posted November 11, 2013 09:28 AM

Well if John is losing money on the BFCC then the admission price should be raised to help cover his, and Keith's, expenses.
I don't think anyone expects them to lose money hosting this convention. A 15 or 20 pound admission fee is not unreasonable for a day's fun. I spend more than that on a couple of hamburger's at Disney World!

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David Guest
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posted November 11, 2013 09:47 AM

re conventions. these 2 film conventions blackpool and ealing are over 200 mile apart ,and most people who attend blackpool don't go to ealinge and vice a versa ,I remember when deran run 2 film fairs in blackpool then stopped the march one and started one in Birmingham I had a stall several times there ,Derek Simmonds told me it would attract the london gang because it was nearer than them going to blackpool I don't recall seeing many ,I don't know many people from London but I have good ears and its not hard to know when a guy is at side of you talking with there cotney accent I wil make a note this year how many have travlled the 200 plus miles

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Maurice Leakey
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posted November 11, 2013 10:08 AM

I am in complete agreement with Paul, nobody can expect the organisers of any event to lose money.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted November 11, 2013 11:46 AM

The entrance fee was 7 pounds. Perhaps with a 10 (or 12) pounds fee it could be viable ?

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David Guest
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posted November 11, 2013 11:52 AM

the answer to the previous post use it or lose it ,its no use everybody having there opinions and the bunch of nit pickers who have plenty to say but never go .these films convenyions which are organised by ealing ,Accrington and blackpool are for your benefit so fill up the car with petrol or book a train or book a plane. if your funds are low you can always sell something on the bring and buy that could go towards getting there

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Dominique De Bast
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posted November 11, 2013 12:02 PM

To which "previous post" is yours answering, David ?

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