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Andrew Woodcock
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I get where you are coming from Mark, but this poor chap (not implied in monetary terms) is simply selling a collection he stumbled across by unfortunate circumstances.

You simply cannot blame an honest, decent seller who put these on an auction site with a sensible reserve and without any means of even checking them first, for the eventual price that these fetch.

If we are to be annoyed at anyone, then perhaps we should contact the buyers of these prints at the prices they paid for unverified prints.

I know dealers that come under the same level of criticism for selling their goods this way, but to me, how can you possibly have a go at anyone doing things the honest way when the reserve prices are sensible ones?

I simply say good luck to anyone who can get fantastic money for once treasured and well looked after prints. It's what we all want and as such there is a premium price to pay when competing for 20 or 30 year old goods of value being kept in this condition.

I would love this print.. I can't afford it, but I won't lose any sleep over the fact as I am always more than happy with what I already have.

If you are introducing people to the hobby, I get that this sort of activity would be somewhat off putting, but I don't believe it causes the hobby any harm, if anything it just values it higher than we all do.

Perhaps if anything, it teaches us all the value of buying the right equipment to show these on and the value of looking after all what we have to our very best ability.

Instead of owning an "Alfie" 70's painting on our living room wall, maybe we are all sat on a "Mona Lisa" original at this rate.

Well that might be stretching the truth somewhat but you get what I mean.

[ February 19, 2015, 03:39 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Mark Todd
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Hi Andrew I`m not blaming anyone in particular.

If only people had suported Derann more.

But when you compare Bly Rays of 4-6 for about £20 or even less.

Thats why new young people coming in to the hobby are very scarce.

They may dip in and suddenly realise " get me out of here " !!!

I just think there is something silly going on, and cash value itself is getting more strong in some cases than the hobby.

Best Mark.

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Andrew Woodcock
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You're absolutely correct Mark and I spoke with one such individual earlier today.

What can I say... they're suddenly becoming a very very treasured commodity are the later Derann prints. I was told many times over throughout the passing years that sale prices had peaked and it really was time to move them on and get in today's world.

Then you see a wonderful set of luscious screen shots like what Vidar posts regularly, and before you know it.. this is where we are.

I have a 19yr old stepson still living at home that thinks nothing of blowing £800 a month on clubbing, beer, fags (cigarettes for all our American forum posters ha ha) and women so in that context, I suppose to the mature, studious, quiet type of youngster, this is still affordable if it is what you value, even if it is at the utter dismay to all of his/her mates! (Buddies USA)

As for supporting Derann more in the time they were still trading
I have said before that in my opinion, just when things were really getting exciting on Super 8, e.g. Silence Of The Lambs within weeks of watching the FILM (because it was then) at the cinema, they simply released far too many in a short space of time for what was affordable by the average person at the time. That is why it is these prints above all others that are commanding the big bucks now.

So many of us, myself included, wanted the whole set in 93, now we have to pay handsomely for what we missed out on.

Things would have been very different I very much suspect if Derek had have lived till 80+, but he didnt .. so this is the situation we are all now left with sadly

[ February 18, 2015, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Clay Smith
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Wha..? my jaw just dropped. Currently $1,200 in US dollars with 18 hours to go. And it seems to be between two bidders, though who knows if anyone else is lurking in the shadows. Steve is right. This thing may have gotten personal. As in "no, it's mine!".
But wow. Hope this person has talked it over with their significant other.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Clay, if they had another half before bidding began, they certainly won't have by the end! ...Which is why you, I, and lots of others on here haven't cashed our 20yr pensions in to get this. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Graham Ritchie
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 - posted February 19, 2015 01:56 AM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well its been 16 years since I last screened the 16mm print and after looking at a few feet of it this evening, I would say, I wont be buying any holiday home in St Topez [Frown] [Wink] ....its gone "RED"... would be lucky to get $6 for it, and that would be for the reels.

I am afraid "Star Wars" like all my Super 8 digests of this title have now faded into the sunset [Frown] ...thank goodness for the Blu-ray and video projection. It may not be the original edit, but its certainly better than nothing [Smile]

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Rob Young.
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Darn...should I sell my immaculate, first run print...hmmm...

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Andrew Woodcock
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Yes, to me please Rob! I will go and visit the Halifax right away Ha ha ha.

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Rob Young.
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I just don't think I could do it, Andrew. Not without crying myself to sleep each night!! [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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I don't blame you one bit Rob! [Wink]

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David Guest
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you cant beat black and white

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Andrew Woodcock
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I don't think B/W would bring anything to Star Wars or let's say Independence Day, David???

These are stunning LPP prints, why would you wish them in b/w ?

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Paul Browning
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Star wars has taken on the classic car status now, everyone that turns up fetches mega bucks, and like classic car collectors there are those who say I have one of those in my collection, and there are those who drive them. At £800.00 and counting I hope he's got a scratch free projector to show it on. like anything for sale, its only worth what someone's willing to pay.cash or paypal rob?.

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Andrew Woodcock
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You must surely already have one of these set of prints already I would have thought Paul? [Wink]

You are soo.. correct Paul regarding the projector comment.
It would be criminal to ruin one of these.
I think if it was mine I'd have to laminate it before putting through anything other than a Goko!

I think it's a bit of a double edged sword myself owning one of these at this price as it almost becomes TOO valuable to watch. Yes it must be fantastic to say you own one of these, especially if you are Rob with a first run print, but if you cannot put the thing through a projector without having heart palpitations, what's the point of owning it?

I am 99.99% recurring, sure that neither of my main two would ever do any harm to one of these prints but at the end of the day, all projectors are mechanical devices and things can start to go wrong as we all know at any given moment.

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Paul Browning
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Yes Andrew, I have the empire strikes back, first run print, but its mute at the moment and has a full length scratch along the edge of the print, although it is the extreme edge. The print looked very good to me other than this damage, with good sharpness and contrast. It was the subject of great interest at the time on the forum, and knowing the sellers past history with prints, it was a no brainer for me. This doesn't come up very often, and at least I can enjoy the print, without the worry of how much it cost.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Oh ok Paul, I just thought as your interest has never seemingly diverted you away from this hobby you would have already had a print of the 1977 film like this one for sale.

I just wished I had bought one now when I used to buy from Derann by visiting them in person.Trouble is as I was a devout ST1200 user then, it would have certainly been trashed by now.

If you projected your Empire film on a 610 you would not see that emulsion scratch at all due to the extended cropping at the gate on these.The only issue is without a Pedro mod...no pulse sync on these for your sound track.

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Paul Browning
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I'm a horror fan really Andrew, especially gothic horror and the universal stuff. I was never really a star wars fan to be honest, just a collector of film, but at the time I could have had this feature when it was around back in the day. I have the both battle star 400footers on universal and thought the quality fantastic with pin sharp picture and blistering sound, perhaps I thought nothing could come as close to this, certainly not from a little shop in Dudley selling films, how wrong I was how very wrong.

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I used to love those 2x 400 footers that Derann had brand new and sealed from Universal. They were a real bargain back in the day for only £19.99. And that was when their colour was A1!!

I have a tiny selection of horror movies and would like to get a few more but they dont come up for sale much the likes of Poltergeist, The Fog etc etc.

When they do, they get snapped up I've noticed.
I still give Carrie a once over now & again but it's colour isn't anywhere near as good as these later Derann prints named above.

All done now £1035!!!!!!!! At least the Winner had been bidding from the early days of the auction.
Enjoy! And please please take great care of it [Razz]

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Yes mate, over £250.00 per reel OMG. The person was still bidding 5 mins from the end too, is this the most ever paid for star wars, I bet it is, wow what a final price. I have poltergeist on red fox, flat print, got that from Derann for £120.00 that was a bargain, beautiful low fade print, and I have the 600ft version of the fog, from ian at perrys, but the full feature of that went for £700 on ebay, and I'm sure that was perrys too. I bid on the fog feature but didn't win it, I'm not that disappointed really, I didn't get the story line, perhaps the 600ft doesn't do it justice, I suppose you loose the suspense of the feature length film. I guess the winner will need the "force" to get into his piggy bank LOL.

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i bet we all wish we had a spare copy of derann star wars right now ,i watched the auction and it jumped £200 in the last 5 seconds ,the seller must be over the moon anxious times awaiting payment now ,but if truely brought by a millionaire will be nothing more than pocket change.

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Andrew Woodcock
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I'd settle for one copy Nigel never mind a spare! Te he [Big Grin]

Balls to it.. get it sold Rob!! ... only joking mate.

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Wow, hope it isn't scratched, or has perf damage. That is the worse thing in fact. Think of the stress the buyer has to go through until it arrives... threading it up... fingers trembling...

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Andrew Woodcock
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I am sure the seller has offered some reassurance to the buyer if all isn't A1 Steven.

I have dealt with the seller and he is a very decent chap indeed to deal with.

Nobody of sound mind is going to lay out this kind of money without some kind of guarantee of a return if all isn't A1 I wouldn't have thought....millionaire or otherwise.

I know I certainly wouldn't.

I personally, see almost no perf damage in any prints I buy on Super 8.
This seems to be more of a 16mm trait unless somebody has thrown a once decent print through something ridiculous like an Imac or Cinerex!

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Wow ... U.S. $1,500!

However, one lucky chap (a fellow who is a member on here), sold his STAR WARS for $1,800!

So, it's not a record.

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Andrew Woodcock
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It is for a completely unverified print Osi.

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