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Maurice Leakey
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As more and more of us are adding digital medium systems to our beloved projector collection, I think it's time for Doug to introduce a new section for digital matters only.
This will leave GENERAL YAK more free for posts which don't quite fit anywhere else.

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Paul Barker
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excellent suggestion. as stated, more and more are using digital. its not going away. so i think an excellent idea.

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Steve Klare
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I disagree,

This is a forum for film presentation. Having a specific digital section dilutes this sense of purpose. It exists to give a small group of people the chance to do their thing without the static we get everywhere else.

It's not that digital shouldn't ever be discussed here, it's that it's understood to be strictly incidental: such that it makes as much sense having dedicated sections for skateboarding and lawn darts.

I've been involved in at least one club that thought it would be good to expand by inviting a much larger group of people with related but different interests. The much larger group very shortly dominated the discussion and soon we were pushed out.

It's not even as if it's impossible to find a place to discuss digital presentation. The Internet being what it is there may be thousands of them! Leave this one for us.

So in summary:

No, No and No!

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Rob Young.
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Hmm...I've got to agree with Steve on this one.

There certainly has been a lot of digital shenanigans here of late, and I hold my hands up as being a prime culprit, but this is the "8mm forum" after all.

I think the General yak serves it's purpose and, as Steve points out, there are already loads of other forums for digital chat.

I say keep things as they are; certainly this is one of the most civilised and interesting forums out there and that is definitely due to the splendid, sensible members we have here, even if we don't always agree on everything.

Oh, and just a special mention for Doug, who thanklessly keeps us unruly kids in line!! [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

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Paul Suchy
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I'm with Steve and Rob; I visit here and the 16mm Forum in order to discuss and learn about film.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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As I said earlier I am using digital at home for my daily entairtainment but it doesn't mean I need to know what is the most uptodate info about it. I can find it somewhere.

So BIG NO for digital section.

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Paul Barker
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it seems fear is showing its head here. sad but true.

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Dominique De Bast
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I first thought that Maurice's sugestion was an option to think about to refrain the growing discussions over digital in other spaces of the forum but I reconsidered my first opinion after having read other messages I would more be on the no side. The name of the forum (8mm) should say what it is all aboutand as Steve said, talking about digital should remain incidental. What's more, I'm not sure that those who think the forum is too much contaminated by digital discussions would appreciate a kind of officialisation of it. So on a film dedicated forum digital is tolerated but not wanted.

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Paul Barker
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so, is it so that this site does not encompass all things to do with film. whatever the format. if this is so, i find that very very sad indeed.

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Dominique De Bast
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Paul, the forum is called 8mm. It has a 8 mm, 16 mm and 9.5 mm section. Obviousely, as I see things, the intention is to generate discussions mainly about celluloid film amateur and not movie in general.

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Paul Barker
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well i find that very sad. i thought the people on here were lovers of the movies and the big screen experience.

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Steve Klare
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No Paul,

We are just a specialty forum and want to keep it that way.

-reasonable allowance for video discussion: main focus still on film.

One of the issues here is in past years we've had these exact discussions and come to the exact same conclusion.

We had this (I suppose) well meaning guy come on here years ago telling us the future of "film" is video and we should all jump to his video forum. In the process of sending him packing we reached the conclusion that video is no more "film" than a Compact Disk is a "record".

-the conclusion stands.

I suppose if we had a video section along our usual lines it could be interesting.

-"What films did you watch last night" could become "What's on TV?".

So in conclusion: We are not a movie club, but a film club.

-literally

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Paul Barker
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so the film/movie content etc is immaterial. its the machines etc that are the main interests here.

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Steve Klare
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It's really the combination of both.

-without the film, the equipment is just static display. I wouldn't be bothered with that.

If you really think about it, this combination makes perfect sense. If the equipment didn't matter, the obvious thing to do would have been to jump completely to video years ago.

What we do is not at all the shortest path to watching a movie. There has to be a reason other than just the image on screen.

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Douglas Meltzer
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Sorry folks, digital media topics will continue to be discussed in the General Yak section. As stated in the description, that is the 8mm Forum's subforum "for yakking about random non-film topics (video included)."

Digital is a movie presentation method, however by definition it is a non-film medium, which this Forum is dedicated to.

Doug

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Paul Adsett
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I agree with Steve and Rob. This is a film forum, but Doug and Brad have never said that digital video is a forbidden topic. I have always felt free to discuss digital projection here anytime I want , usually in the yak section. But the primary mission of this forum, as I understand it, is to share the experience of reel film projection and all that entails.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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Maurice Leakey
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I am not against digital discussion. If it is acceptable, it should not be hidden away to be included with all sorts of other matters.
This is why I suggested that it should have its own section.
The alternative is not to include any digital discussion if the general agreement is that this is a film forum.

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Andrew Woodcock
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We now have a break away forum emerging for purists who have become tired with what is after all, one of the few film forums out there dedicated to the small gauges.

Once we introduce and promote more digital chat on here, it loses its sense of origin I feel and I fear more purists would seek to post elsewhere unfortunately.

I don't think any of the film collectors on here feel in any way threatened by digital technology advancements,as for some time now, everyone knows it is the easiest, most sensible and cost effective way to view a movie. However, some cine enthusiasts, simply do not see any relationship between the two.
Example;
Posting images of steelbook covers in a "Derann Disney" section on here???

Why?...It has nothing to do with the subject in question.

I think Doug and most people on here judging by the comments seen,have come to an obvious and sensible correct decision on this forum as to whether or not it should have a dedicated digital section.

As said previously by many, there are many many forums dedicated to all aspects of today's technologies, plenty that include Digital AVand digital home cinema.
If I were nowadays solely only interested in presenting my films digitally, then that is where I would be heading. That way I would be keeping up with all the latest news of the very best that can be offered by equipment used for presenting movies this way.

After all, If I started posting on those forums the benefit and joys of viewing movies the old fashioned way by projecting film, people on there would think I was nuts!

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Steve Klare
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There are predominantly digital forums with film sections, filled mostly with transfer and "Why are you still using this crap?!" discussions.

I remember one of these that started out all film, went video and had this nasty little party when Wallace and Gromit went toes up at Derann.

-so Yes, if there is any "fear" here it's not the rise of digital video but one day this forum suffering that same Borg style Assimilation!

(Resistance is NOT futile!)

-and yes, this is a film forum, but it is also a bunch of people being people, so it should have reasonable latitude to discuss a broad variety of things.

Here's just a few great things we've discussed that don't have a frame of film:

Fishing, boating and camping
Weather
Cars
Food
Our Families
Growing up/Growing old(er?)
Health
Sports
Morning (one of my favorites, actually)
Languages
Comedians
The expansion of a running joke until it bursts!
Music
Dogs and Cats

-and lo and behold, when I got it in my head to buy a video projector a few years ago, I asked about it here!

So things are fine. We should leave them that way.

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Mike Newell
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I think a general yak section should be sufficiently all embracing to cover a wide ranges of topics. Would it not be more positive for film purists to post new topics or comment on existing topics on other boards rather than expelling their energies on topics they have declared no interest in reading.

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Steve Klare
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HL Menken said:

"Puritanism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

How about we recognize that this is just a hobby and step back at least a half-step from being any kind of purists?

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Mike Newell
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Purist Steve not Puritan

Purist Steve not Puritan

Argument remains the same. Post more cine articles or comment on existing ones and you won't even notice the rest. 🎭

A purist is one who desires that an item remain true to its essence and free from adulterating or diluting influences. The term may be used in almost any field, and can be applied either to the self or to others. Use of the term may be either pejorative or complimentary, depending on the context. Because the appellation depends on subjective notions of what is "pure" as opposed to "adulterating" as applied to any particular item, conflict can arise both as to whether a person so labeled is actually a purist and as to whether that is desirable. [Smile] [Smile]

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Mark Silvester
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Hi Mike

good to hear from you hope all is well.

I think the "General yak" is an ideal section as it stands - we can post about "big screen" movie entertainment which is great as well as digital observations - projector wise and other associated elements. All things in their own place it seems to me and the "Yak" section gives us the ability to expand conversation and further interest - bottom line is, no one is "forced" to post in any section - unless they want too. That's reasonable..each section I do agree though should stay within it's subject matter/focus.

General "Yak" is only a small section - but a valid one...but no-one is forced to post there.

Mark [Smile] [Smile]

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Mike Newell
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Totally agree with your comments Mark a small portion of a big forum.

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Terry Sills
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I tend to agree with Maurice on this. Digital seems to dominate General Yak and sometimes bleeds over to other sections, so wouldn't an additional section devoted to Digital be a positive addition to the site? As has been said earlier, Digital is not going away, so why not embrace it, but in a way that separates it from the celluloid origins of the Forum.

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