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Topic: Is it me or? I cant be the only one
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Melvin England
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 707
From: Hull, East Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Feb 2016
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posted December 30, 2016 11:21 AM
Tom / Mike / Steve
I have been observing at least two of these sellers for a little while. One of them, at least,for over a year. I notice that the repeat listings he does have gone on...and on...and on...and on... at the same ridiculous price. Hasn't it dawned on that person that he ain't going to shift any of them at that price.... but still they are relisted without a price reduction. When will some people learn?
I agree with all the sentiments expressed by everybody on this thread so far. The only comment I must make is regarding the 100 free listings per day that is currently in operation on Ebay UK.
Mike, unfortunately, this is a double edged sword. I agree that this situation does encourage the "clowns" to enter the circus ring and are allowed to run riot with their unrealistic prices, but for someone like myself, who is a regular seller of all sorts on ebay, not only films etc (at reasonable prices,I might add, when I do list any) this policy is a godsend. I currently have over 300 realistically priced items listed which would be impossible if I was charged 10% up front for them all.... basically because even these non film items may have to be re-listed several times before they are sold.
There is no ideal solution. The likes of you and I all know what price to pay for a particular film... we are collectors... we KNOW! We have just got to grin and bear it,I'm afraid, until these "morons" finally DO get the message and do something about it.... or Mr.Muppet comes along, not knowing the value of items, and does us all a favour,except himself, and actually parts with his hard earned cash.Job done.
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Tom Photiou
Film God
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From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted December 30, 2016 01:29 PM
Thanks for the sanity check chaps, i thought i was going barmy.
It is ridiculous. I have to say the following on a brighter note, I have bought some good items on ebay, (had one or two duff ones but i never pay over the odds), but also as an occasional seller i have always said, at least list it at a reasonable start price, then, if it does start taking off, it is up to the buyer as to what he/she wishes to pay. If someone wants to pay over the odds then fair cop but these listings are simply nuts.
As some have said already, they are so moronic they simply keep re-listing and not getting the hint that they are way over priced. I almost guarantee one or more of them look on here and watch us ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
If you are one of them and reading this please join in and explain so we understand what your thinking. I could do with a laugh. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 31, 2016 11:36 AM
well, you have the occasionally, highly overpriced 400ft or cartoon, but as a general rule, the "morons' don't know what they have, and most of letting films that are worth 50, 100 or more, for mere dollars, so I'm a happy man in general! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Tom Spielman
Master Film Handler
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2016
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posted December 31, 2016 02:18 PM
Osi, yes that is the other side of the coin. I bought a film camera (Canon Range Finder) a couple of months ago for $10 that I could easily sell on Ebay for over $100. Now it could have turned out that the camera wasn't completely functional so I was taking a risk. However for $10, it was one I was willing to take. What is a bit problematic for somebody who's not into cameras as a hobby or a profession, is that another camera that may look very similar might only be worth $15 in good working condition. In fact I just sold another camera for $25 that by most practical measures is much better than that Range Finder, but they simply aren't in as high of demand. Who knows, in 5 years, no one may want Range Finders anymore either. My point is that pricing things correctly for vintage stuff takes a bit of insider's knowledge.
I'd guess some of the inflated prices are due to the fact that some old films sell for a great deal of money but sellers don't understand that their particular films just aren't worth as much.
I'm willing to blame eBay too for some of its policies. I just listed an item on eBay for the first time in probably a couple of years. They've gone to great lengths to make things easier than ever but I believe this can result in higher prices. I was curious about shipping to Canada in particular since Matthew's post from awhile back.
First thing I noticed that when allowing eBay to calculate shipping costs for me was that it selected a package size that was about double the weight of the packaging I actually used, - and I packed it well. The second thing I noticed that while eBay does encourage people to allow International buyers it attempts to make that easy through it's "Global Shipping Program".
By checking that option, the seller calculates nothing as far as international shipping goes. The seller actually ships the item to a place in Kentucky and eBay handles the rest. A little ironic since shipping to Kentucky is probably as far or farther for me than shipping to many Canadian locations.
I tried to lookup my item on eBay.ca and put in a Canadian postal code but it hasn't shown up yet. I'm curious to what the shipping costs will turn out to be.
[ December 31, 2016, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: Tom Spielman ]
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Tom Spielman
Master Film Handler
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2016
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posted December 31, 2016 04:07 PM
"Sometimes we forget we live in our own little world and our customs are strange to outsiders! "
Yes Steve, I think that's true.
Some of the high prices undoubtedly arise from lack of knowledge. At the same time, I'm sure there are those sellers who are more deliberate about their choices and don't mind if a buyer pays way more that what a print is worth. And perhaps even those that over-price out of ignorance aren't entirely innocent. I'm guessing most of them didn't pay anywhere near what they're asking, if they paid anything at all.
Even for me, someone who likes to think of themselves as ethical, if I'm selling something on eBay, it's because I hope I can get a better price than what I could if I were to sell locally. There's a profit motive. For example, the lens I've got listed on eBay now was part of a lot of 3 I got from craigslist for $20. I bought them knowing that they were worth more than what I was paying.
The seller may have been well aware of that fact and just wanted to sell quickly. But I wasn't going to actually volunteer that information to him. So, isn't there a certain level of dishonesty in that?
One of the lens has a stuck aperture so I'm sure in his mind that required a significant price reduction. But still, the other two were fine and even the busted one was probably worth more than $20 to the right person. I'm hoping I can fix it and sell it for $75 to $100.
Sometimes I look at craigslist listings and think: "Geez, if you spent 10 minutes cleaning that up or bothered to take a decent picture, you could ask for a lot more".
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Mike Newell
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 826
From: United Kingdom
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted December 31, 2016 04:52 PM
From a universe far away and The Jedi Council. They think you calculate the value of 8mm by the size about $1.00 a foot Bargain or what !!!
They have also got the 1978 prices of Star Wars films when issued by Portland Film for each version 200 400 black and white Colour silent and sound and decided in their own reality that the real price in 2016 should now be waited for it possibly 1000% more!!!! Deranged or what. If this is what is being talked in the Star Wars universe no doubt it is dripping into the bigger public perception of what super 8 is worth hence the eBay madness.
Another price list from 2005 shows what they think certain films are worth. No idea of what gauges they are talking about. There is even some copy and paste quotes from Osi Osgood and Adrian Winchester are quoted and referenced by them.
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I will have a look through the boards but there was a thread made about film reels quite a while ago
edit: Just had a look it depends what it is cause the one posted on the boards was a film reel one of its kind and the person had someone offer them $2500 but then reading my price guide I have got the following
20th century fox
theatrical trailers
ESB.........$350.00
ROTJ...... 350.00
star wars......625.00
jef films
theatrical trailers
esb...... 675.00
rotj....575.00
star wars.....1,300.00
ken films
star wars selected scenes 8mm
b/w silent 42.5 metres......17.00
colour silent 42.5m..... 35.00
colour sound.... 42.5m..... 80.00
colour sound 91m..... 38.00
colour sound plastic case (han/chewbacca)....... 45.00
colour sound plastic case (movie art)...... 25.00
the empire strikes back selected scenes 8mm
colour 17 mins part 1 $65.00
colour 17 mins part 2 $65.00
As you said it was 8mm so really I suppose it will have some referance on there to tell you how long the reel is in metres and if it is colour or has sound so there is a rough estimate to how much to pay. Make sure you pay a bargain price for it and let us know how you got on
skywalker_1982, Sep 4, 2005 at 11:05 AM #4
The best versions of Star Wars you can buy on eBay
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In just over a week, your local place of cinematic worship will be filled with screen after screen preaching the good word of the Force Awakening. That leaves you plenty of time to seek out the best versions of old Star Wars movies to catch up. We went to the depths of eBay to weigh our options.
Let us be clear, these are the legal options, so certain — and arguably superior — choices aren't included.
For those who want the most original way to watch the first Star Wars
If you're looking to experience the true Star Wars in its original, virtually unaltered form, the best option is to find an old film reel. The original 35mm reels are extremely rare, but you can find a handful of high-quality 16mm versions if you're willing to pay nearly $5,000. That's less than one dollar per foot of film reel (by about $50), which is a small price to pay to see the opening crawl say "Star Wars" instead of "Episode IV: A New Hope."
If you're feeling thrifty, you can probably find a more beat-up reel for closer to $1,000, but I'm sorry, why are you settling?
16mm original uncut Star Wars: $4,750
For those who want the most original way to watch the "first" Star Wars
We're not sure why you'd want to watch a 35mm version of Episode I: The Phantom Menace, for a variety of reasons. Maybe it was the first time you visited the local theater. Maybe you met your true love in the popcorn line on premiere weekend, and now that you've found success as a finance person / legal person / doctor person, you want a room dedicated to that moment. I don't know. Someone recently bought a 35mm print for almost $3,000, and now I just need to rationalize that fact somehow.
Of course, a true completionist will want to find one of the original digital projectors and video files that showed the film; The Phantom Menace was the first full-length film to be screened to the public in digital. Episode I opened in digital on four screens, so best of luck finding one of the "original" digital files or projectors.
35mm Star Wars Episode I: $2,795
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