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Topic: Italy's totally ****** UP POST!!!
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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
Master Film Handler
Posts: 412
From: Firenze, Italy
Registered: Jan 2016
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posted February 02, 2018 10:57 AM
Yes ... dear Brian and Dominique ... but the package in this case ... is in the hands of USPS ... please ... read the upload of the tracking https://t.17track.net/it#nums=CP056662005IT ... where it is written that, on January 31st , the package was cleared at the ISC of NEW YORK ... so ... I think it's in the hands of an American postman, not in those of an Italian postman ... and if we have to tell the whole truth ... USPS, in this case, they did a job even worse than Poste Italiane. Anyway, I do not make accusations to anyone, I just say that, unfortunately, these things can happen ... and that these things happen all over the world ... certainly not only in Italy. I believe that in the coming days, finally, Osi will have the film ...
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 02, 2018 11:46 AM
OK, now I’ve had the time to actually type this out on WORD and able to make this, probably, my ultimate post, (well, perhaps my longest, not including some of my reviews).
I had forgotten to get back to this series of posts and it’s been a few weeks since the end of this. On February 8th (I believe, it might have been the 9th), the film finally arrived …
… and you were right Mark, though you didn’t know it … I returned the package, having it marked “refused/return to sender”
Why, after all of this time?
Backtrack to mid January …
I put in a request for a refund and by this time, it had already been near a month and a half. On about the 20th or so of January, I received an ebay message that stated that, if I didn’t further the request for a refund, ebay would assume as of the 28th that I and the seller had come to some form of “amiacable” settlement concerning the refund.
… however, all I kept gearing from Alberto was, “Please be patient, please be patient, please be patient” ect ect and this wasn’t disingenuous on Alberto’s part, as there WAS the hope that it might finally arrive. Since I had, as of that time, absolutely no tracking information (as of here in the U.S.), that actually stated that it was in fact in the U.S., I continued my refund request as, I was pretty sure that if ebay felt that by the 28th, I didn’t continue my refund request, that we had settled the issue, and with 350.00 dollars on the line, (a very large sum for my family), I couldn’t take a chance that I wouldn’t be able to start a second refund request on the same auction, which I don’t know for a fact, but I’m betting that ebay probably doesn’t allow for.
To be honest, by the time that I received my refund by early February (or was it late January?), I wanted to be completely done with the film and didn’t want it anymore and if the film DID in fact arrive, that I would immediately have one of two things which I and Alberto discussed via e-mails back and forth …
A. I would accept the film and sell it for Alberto over here in the U.S., which, if it sold here in the U.S. to a U.S. buyer, the shipping would be very small and more profit for Alberto … or …
B. I would simply mark the package “refused/return to sender” and Alberto could resell it at his convenience.
Alberto chose to have me send it back to him. In fact, just to alleviate any worried, though not requested by Alberto, I even filmed the package arriving, in the hands of the postman as it was verified to be returning to Alberto directly, (just in case anybody would attempt to call me a liar and trying to keep it for myself), with a close up of the address as, there are always those few on the forums that have always desired to catch Ole OSI being fraudulent, which I’ve never been. Hey, everybody has they’re “enemies.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it has already gotten back to Alberto. I would actually love to hear that it has, of course for, though I was made right with the refund, I’d certainly not wish to see Alberto not have the opportunity to make back with another ebay sale, as much or perhaps even more by re-listing it.
Therefore, I actually started this post originally for two reasons …
A. Quite frankly, to vent about rotten post (which is NOT Alberto’s fault)
B. With the help of the Forum members, to perhaps actually find out where
the package actually was.
So, there you have it Sorry for not getting back on this for quite awhile. No doubt there will be more questions from some …
“ Oh yeah?! PROVE that you filmed it being returned! “
So here's dat ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQaCiR7js8s&feature=youtu.be
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"All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Michael O'Regan
Film God
Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted March 02, 2018 12:36 PM
Interesting explanation.
Had I purchased the film, I would have felt obligated to accept it, postal delays notwithstanding.
Not to mention the fact that, to have paid $350 for it, I would have to have really wanted the film in the first place.
It would seem that Osi refused delivery of the film for no good reason, other than that he suddenly decided he didn't want the film. Well, that is, by any of the standards we profess as collectors, unfair to the seller.
It's pretty unbelievable really.
If Alberto is happy with this outcome, then hats off to him.
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[ March 03, 2018, 05:09 AM: Message edited by: Michael O'Regan ]
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Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 977
From: Ortona, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 03, 2018 12:35 PM
I agree, Tom. All of this thread seems to have no definite purpose (at least retrospectively) but to misrepresent the Italian Mail system. Which is more often than not quite acceptable by any standards: I, too send and receive parcels from many places, both Europe, USA and, as of recently, Japan. I have been doing this for more than 20 years now and I can hardly recall a parcel lost in the system and that was from... Germany (no less!!!). But I did not build a paradigm on this. On the other hand; I sent two cultural boxes during December (about 15th) to schools in Lithuania and Romania for an international project and they both arrived in 3 weeks.
And again I once had to have a box containing a lot of rare books shipped from Cambridge, MA to Italy; I was a university student at that time, collecting material for my dissertation so I sent out that box to myself using the cheapest rate ("surface mail") which I could afford (being on a shoestring budget...); it did arrive but after three months (of prayers and swearing! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ). So I guess it's all a matter of timing, (bad) luck etc which is not in our control.
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Maurizio
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