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Robert Crook
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 - posted October 15, 2018 05:10 PM      Profile for Robert Crook   Email Robert Crook   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am getting sound from Track 1 but only hissing on track 2.

Has anyone any ideas to try,

I have tried plugging and unplugging all the sound sockets

I have cleaned the sound heads with Isopropyl Alcohol

Set to stereo rather than mono

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Steve Klare
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 - posted October 15, 2018 05:35 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe move the track select switch quickly back and forth about 10 times with the machine unplugged, then give it a try.

(It’s a stereo print, right?)

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Rob Young.
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 - posted October 16, 2018 04:02 AM      Profile for Rob Young.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Robert. As Steve points out, is there definitely sound recorded on track 2?

We've all been there! [Smile]

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Robert Crook
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 - posted October 16, 2018 04:13 AM      Profile for Robert Crook   Email Robert Crook   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you Steve for that response

Yes it is a stereo print.

I have tried all the switches, to no avail.

I have fed the sound from the speaker sockets ( 2 pin) into my amplifier and the sound is coming though just one speaker

I have just now played the sound through the speaker jack, with the same result.

Also directly though some Bose headphones, and it is the same, through one speaker.

Could it be the sound heads?

One thing I have noticed, when I turn the volume up on track 2 I have the hissing sound, but also a frequent and rapid ticking sound.

Thanks again Steve, I really appreciate your help here.

Regards

Robert

Rob, just saw your post. Im using a Gremlins print, i have also tried with several other examples with the same result.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted October 16, 2018 07:59 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This is one of those that could be a lot of things.

It could be the heads, but typically not. I hate to say "never" because words like "never" and "always" were just invented to make people look foolish later on.

People on this forum have had some success going over their sound boards looking for cold solder joints and reflowing them with new solder: could be.

I had a similar adventure with my ST-1200HD about a year ago. Track one was OK, track two was dead, and fairly often the sound would break into to an oscillation. I think I remember some ticking as well.

I managed to get a schematic (which is like finding gold) and I checked it out. On this machine you have a pre-amp stage for each track. These are buffered out to the two unamplified outputs, which are what you amplify on an ST-1200HD to get stereo. These two signals are also summed together and fed into a power amp stage, which drives the internal speaker and the external speaker jack. This is also divided down trough a resistive divider to become the monaural Aux.

I don't have a lot of test equipment at the house, and I don't want to explain troubleshooting a movie projector at work, so I needed a guess: something as easy and cheap as possible, but still very plausible. I needed something if I was wrong I hadn't committed myself too deep.

The preamp stages are built around a 7 pin preamp IC. The power stages are built around this immense power amp IC. They are both obsolete, but still pretty findable.

The ST-1200HD is a twin track monaural machine: it has one power amp IC. The GS-800 is true stereo: you probably have two.

My best guess was the preamp IC for track two had gone bad, since track one still worked and the sound came up to full volume.

The preamp ICs were like 5 bucks a pop on E-bay, and not too bad to replace. There are four of them on the board, so I decided to replace them all.

I'm a pretty decent solderer, and I probably could have pulled it off at home with what I have to work with there, but I have a good friend at work that has ninja-level soldering training and works at an industrial quality soldering station, so I chickened out and asked a favor.

Since I'd guessed, I wasn't sure if it would pay off, but it works fine now.

If you're up for it, and nothing else helps, I can provide you information on how to do it. Elmo used these same ICs on multiple models. (If we can dig up a GS-800 schematic, so much the better.)

Other than that it could come down to replacing the sound board as a unit.

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Leon Norris
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 - posted October 16, 2018 10:11 AM      Profile for Leon Norris   Email Leon Norris   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, Robert check the cancel coils. You have two of them. one for track one and one for track two. They should be near the sound head. If the coil is broken you will have that. Sound problem. Good luck, Leon Norris

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Robert Crook
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 - posted October 16, 2018 01:13 PM      Profile for Robert Crook   Email Robert Crook   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve,Leon & Rob

There is a lot to look at there, i will have a look through these solutions over the next few days and revert back to you.

Can i say how much i really appreciate the input, and assistance. You have certainly given me a great deal to think about.

I will be back in touch

Robert

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Steve Klare
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 - posted October 16, 2018 01:29 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Best advice: do the simple and the cheap first.

-that's why we always start with working jacks and switches. I had low sound on one of mine a few days ago and this fixed it without turning a screw!

It's always bad to have the engine out of the car and discover all you needed was fuel!

"Nurse! Sew the patient back up and give him some Tylenol!"

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Robert Crook
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 - posted October 24, 2018 01:03 PM      Profile for Robert Crook   Email Robert Crook   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gave the whole thing a good workout, cleaning, tweaking, lubricating, plugging unplugging, learning a great deal in the process, and guess what, track 2 is alive, and sounding gooooooood.
So thanks, that was a lot of fun.
No idea what specifically fixed it, but that was half the fun.

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Dominique De Bast
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 - posted October 24, 2018 01:36 PM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Good new, Robert !

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