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Simon Wyss
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 - posted March 01, 2019 12:24 AM      Profile for Simon Wyss   Email Simon Wyss   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That is good news. I hope, they will offer it in lengths up to 1200 feet. To think of cameras such as the Mitchell 16, Auricon Pro-600 and Super 1200, Kodak Reflex Special, and the many others with 400-ft. magazines . . .

And then one might hope Kodak will sell Ektachrome as unperforated 35mm to us Ninefivers. I have a Beaulieu R 95, a GIC 9.5, 9.5mm projectors, splicer. A precision printer is planned. 16mm step contact printer with RGB lights control ready.

By the way, 500-ft. spiral reels feasible at short notice, taking film widths up to 105 mm. Business partners are invited.

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Dominique De Bast
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Simon, Kodak will not produce 35 mm since they need a large market to consider this. Two extracts of an answer from Kodak about 35 mm unperfored film : "Lack of commercial E-6 processors capable of handling long roll lengths of 35mm film make commercialization of an EKTACHROME product as a standard catalog item not practical at this time. Any requests for such a non-standard product would only be investigated after completion of the development of the 16mm format and would have to be of significant volume to justify any development and testing expense." and "While I cannot promise anything, please watch for the release of KODAK EKTACHROME 7294 Color Reversal Film in 16mm format."

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Simon Wyss
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Thank you for that

It’s another cheap excuse. Ektachrome is present as unperforated 35mm stock in long rolls during the workflow to 135 cartridges. Kodak could deviate a roll or two and sell it just like that. But like I’ve read somewhere they collapse bureaucratically at such a move. The hens start laughing around the house.

Same with DS-8. Kodak simply keeps the market dry to justify bold prices.

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Luigi Castellitto
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Meanwhile, on the internet there are several videos of people who have self-built a machine that cuts films. There are also some that cut in 9.5mm; I tried to contact them, but they replied that they don't do that job anymore.
Being small machines, they don't need large quantities of film to be cut, accessing and switching off the machine would be simple, they could therefore do it for small quantities.
I'm sure, if in the trade, it would not be difficult to find small quantities of stocks in b/w (color I don't think, too difficult) for cut.
If someone listening is able to build it, I would advise him to enter this business.

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Dominique De Bast
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I hope someone does, Luigi. Keep in mind, however that you're using a camera that takes cartridges. For cameras that accept 15 mt and 30 mt spools, you need empty camera spools to put the film on it (otherwise less costumers would buy as not everybody is ready to load films on spools) and not many filmmakers have empty spools. Then, if you sell the films but not process them, the spools don't come back to you. If you process the films, then you need empty projector spools. Color City provides all that. I hope they can keep on the business as long as possible since it's not se easy to take over.

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Luigi Castellitto
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Sometimes I'm too "easy", Dom, I don't think about these events. It's true that the spools 9.5mm 30 meters are equal to 16mm and very available, even at 2,3 euros, it's also true that the above spools are bought together with the cameras, even two at a time, but it's also true that I think style equipped user, there are many users who need those reels. As we said, of 15mt, compared to 30m, they are also rare. Let's say that what I look like is better than nothing, but the return of Color City would be magnificent! What do you know, are they completely closed or do they do some work? Examples, scans and similes.

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Dominique De Bast
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Luigi, the 16 mm spools have the same central hole as the 9.5 camera spools but not the same width (so you could not close the camera). 30 mt 9.5 camera spools are advertised on EBay but without can, so if someone wish to use them, he will have to find cans (16 mm ones for example but then you must probably also buy spools together and that's if you can find them). All this has a cost. Not easy for an individual. Color City is still in activity, they has a last minute contract for a specific work (I don't know which one) with a well known company but I think until the end of March. I don't know what will happen after that. Last time I spoke with someone from Color City (in January), they were still looking for a 35 mm stock. There should be a 9.5 projection on the 19th March so I may learn more from the club but there are still works on electrical safety in the place we project. These works should end on the 15 th but if there is a delay, the projection will be cancelled. If I learn anything about Color City or film availability, I will post it.

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Simon Wyss
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There are 35mm unperforated stocks available. Why is everyone so fixated on colours?

  • All ORWO films,
  • all FOMA films,
  • all microfilms and microfilm duplicating films,
  • x-ray stocks,
  • special graphic stocks
9mm½, to put it the French way, had begun with black-and-white film only and it was a success. Le Ciné-Club 9,5 de France should preserve its connection to the origins. As is stated on the club’s website:
Après la défection des fabricants internationaux dans les années 1970, le Ciné-Club 9,5 s’est occupé en priorité de trouver du film au format 9,5 mm pour que les cinéastes de notre format puissent continuer à se livrer à leur passe-temps favori. Pour cela des machines à découper et à perforer le film ont été acquises, ce qui nous assure de pouvoir continuer à filmer sans être tributaire d’un fabricant particulier.

Parbleu!

Si nécessaire je peux intervenir. Je parle français.

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Dominique De Bast
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Simon, I have several black and white 9.5 films I cannot have process because there is no lab in the worlf that provide black and white reversal process for 30 mt lenght at the moment. There is a demand for black and white but not like for colour films. When Ferrania announced their come back, everybody believed them and we (all gauges) probably lost a precious time waiting for that Italian film that has never come instead of looking for other sources (you gave up yourself your black and white 9.5 project at this time, didn't you ?). The Club is trying to find a solution but the answer from big labs or manufacturers is always the same : the market is too small for them to be interested. The machines are still there but without stock they are useless.

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Luigi Castellitto
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Ops, Dom, I said something wrong about the spools, you're right! And do you know why? I was thinking of my Pathé Webo DS8, that being DS8 has spools equal to 16mm, but the Pathé Webo 9.5mm of course not! Distracted.

Simon, for 9.5mm I would ONLY b/w, the color interests me for other formats, and even in those cases less than the b/n.
I also believe that the national heritage of that format must be saved, but I am very skeptical... [Frown]

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Simon Wyss
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The Club 9,5 could invest. Say, a slitter is commissioned and built, an apparatus that allows to cut up 120 mm or 190 mm wide rolls. Some interesting stocks in these widths are on the market. If someone could have a word with Baldini and Pagni to involve Film Ferrania in NINEFIVE . . .
I think they have perforators. They certainly can slit in any width.

New Ektachrome is a terrific stock but way overpriced. I am a Ferrania buyer as soon as there’s a film from Italy.

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Dominique De Bast
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Ferrania already answered (After a very long, wasted, time) that they were not interested in 9,5 and that IF they make reversal film stock, they MAY manufacture 35 mm one, but at the end of the process. Needless to say, Ferrania is big disappointment for ninefivers.

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Rodney Bourke
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I found this interesting site with 35mm to 9.5mm Perforating Machines

https://www.filmvorfuehrer.de/topic/8602-aus-35mm-film-wird-95mm-film/

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Luigi Castellitto
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Thanks, Rodney, unfortunately films are old and some that are there and that I contacted no longer have an interest in 9.5mm machines.

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Dominique De Bast
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I've just called Color City and asked what will happening with the change of management. The man I had on the phone told me that there would still be 9.5. Since, I didn't talk to Monsieur Colland, I didn't ask about the machines but that's promising ...

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