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Dan Lail
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posted February 15, 2004 11:12 PM

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Kev, I checked out the other 8mm Forum. The only problem was when three different items by three different members were posted for sale (not counting Shorty's), the ads said U.K. sale. One of the members being the moderator. Also someone does a post that asked "where in the U.K. are you". Maybe I'm missing something, but this is the World Wide Web. [Confused]

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This Forum (Brad's), sells to it's members regardless of where they live. So let's hear it, three cheers for Brads International forum; Hip, hip, hurrah!! [Smile]

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Trevor Adams
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posted February 16, 2004 04:04 AM

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At the bottom of the world we have a nice wee local forum but hey,the real action is here at Brad's site.(Brad,how about putting the theme from CHEERS as background music?)Trev

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Mark Todd
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posted February 16, 2004 08:15 AM

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Be cool Dan, theres no implied exclusivity on the other forum.
I`m one of the ones who said UK sale, sometimes I say Europe but with USA sales I`ve had things go missing in the post, sent films that the person decided they wanted but didn`t want to send me the cash for etc etc.
But theres no panic anyway the new forum is open to anyone from anywhere at all.
You could have a forum just for people in your street mainly if you liked, but welcome all comers or equally you could restrict it to just a few people, its up to anyone what they do or don`t do with a forum.
Theres no threat to this forum or any other and I believe that marks ideas and how he is setting the new forum up is interesting and will be a great asset to the hobby and really good resource and it can only mean even more people happen accross the hobby.

My post asking where people come from in the UK is as much as anything alerting people to those in the hooby near to them, the UK is very small and its easy for folks to get together like the recent mini Lightwater convention etc etc.
Why don`t you go and post asking where do you live in the USA on the site, You`ll get no complaint and it might be intersting.
One thing for sure is that the new forum offers some things similar and some things different and only goes to strengthen and and increase the interest of the hobby online.
So well done Mark thanks for what you are doing.
best other Mark.

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Steven Sigel
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posted February 16, 2004 08:28 AM

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With All due respect Mark -- I've been dealing back and forth with people in the UK and other parts of the world for many years (since the 1980s) and I've never had a problem with payments, or with items going missing. We're probably talking about several hundred shipments.

If you don't like dealing with people in the USA, that's your choice, but please don't make assertions like that which might convince other people to stop dealing with people out of their own country.

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Mark Todd
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posted February 16, 2004 08:36 AM

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Hi Steven,( by the way thanks for the mail and sorry for long reply but I`ve left 16mm now, but thanks anyway).
Its just my own experiance though granted one of those was with your own bad experiance character.
I think generally its likely the post in the UK on the in and outs from the UK if anyone but my ratio is about 5 good to one lost or bad but of course on projectors its another matter.
Many things in the UK are handled by parcel force and Ive had a projector that cost a fortune smashed up by them, twice my monthly income and no redress so its a mater of playing safe these days. I`m often quite unlucky.
Best Mark.
PS saying that I am just about to send some bits to a great chap your side off the forum so i`m still open more or less anyway. But they will have to go uninsured so I`m taking abit of a gamble!!!!! Be no risk if it was a UK sale.

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Steven Sigel
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posted February 16, 2004 08:48 AM

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Hi Mark --

Why do they have to go uninsured? I always have everything send insured (if it's coming to me), and I always ship stuff out insured unless the buyer wants to take full responsibility for the item...

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Mark Todd
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posted February 16, 2004 09:09 AM

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Hi Steven, well its the cost at your end with the you know what.
Also for the last two years it ws awkward and quite expensive to send certain things to the US, you couldn`t even send a registered mail.
Its actually just eased up and got beter recently with better on offer but I did again recently fall foul of a thing coming to me going astray, as I say I am unlucky so just try to restrict the number of times my luck fails.
Best Mark.

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Steven Sigel
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posted February 16, 2004 09:15 AM

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Hi Mark --

Do you mean customs? The USA does not charge any customs duty on 16mm or 8mm films. As long as you write "used 16mm (8mm) films " on the package, it should go through the customs here for free. Somewhere I have the customs code for film, but I'd have to look for it... I always have the package declared for the full value and with full insurance ....

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 18, 2004 06:49 PM

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Hi Steve, If you ship to the UK and put used film it makes no diff to our customs here. They will put 17.5% 0n the item plus the shipping and a handling charge on top. If you however mark an item as a gift and keep the dollar equiv below our magic £18.00 it will get through.
As for the forum in the UK. Mark S like me would like to see more of our US friends use it as well as Brad's.
I have found over time that the US guys talk about places & dealers in the US that I have not heard of before but then I accept that us Brits are the minority on Brad's Forum. Mark's forum is also supposed to be international so why dont more of you guys join up. [Smile]

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There was one guy in the UK on this new forum who couldnt get joined up on Brad's forum and Mark S was chucked off by Brad for a silly squirmish between members which means that some people don't have a forum to use.
Mark's opened this one up for ALL to use and to say exactly what they so wish. The fact that some people dont want to sell to the US is the same as the times when I have asked US sellers to sell to the UK. Some people dont want to get involved in international money tranactions of any sort. Thats up to them.
So right, lets stop this them and us squabble before it gets out of hand [Mad]

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Steven Sigel
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posted February 18, 2004 08:17 PM

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Hi Kevin,

Mark said that he couldn't SEND films insured because of customs issues and I said that the US doesn't have any customs fees on films. I didn't say anything about shipping the other way...

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Dan Lail
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posted February 18, 2004 11:14 PM

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Does anyone on this forum that resides in the U.S. sell to the U.S. only when posting sales on this forum? For that matter, does anyone on this forum sell only to their country of residence when posting sales on this forum? I haven't sold anything on this forum yet, but my auctions are worldwide and I buy worldwide. The shipping charges and shipping risk are the responsibility of the buyer unless the seller does an inadequate job of packing. My post wasn't meant to cause bad feelings, but only to point out some facts. I thought the graphics and links info on the other forum were great, but when I saw the items for sale and was considering buying, I was left out. Also, the "where are you in the UK" should have read "where do all our members live". [Smile]

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Mike Peckham
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posted February 19, 2004 11:37 AM

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I have bought and sold through Ebay all over the world and [as yet] never had a problem, in fact my most recent purchase, an Elmo 110R camera was bought as a result of me putting a posting on a Danish Web Site - getting a reply from a guy in Texas with a link to a site in the Netherlands where the camera I wanted was for sale, an email to someone in the Netherlands who had bought something off me thru Ebay resulted in a mutually beneficial arrangement whereby he became my agent in the Netherlands and bought the camera and shipped it to me in the UK.

Isn't the internet fantastic? [Cool]

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Mark Todd
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posted February 19, 2004 01:40 PM

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Great when it turns out like that Mike but I know a poor chap in the north west of the UK who did a lot of 16mm, he bought a lot in from the US especialy from a good contact he was quite friendly with and was very happy with the stuff from that gentleman.
His last ( as it turns out) order was a big one for many films he was after through this trusted gent for wait for it £2500 worth, some serious films.
Once the usually trustworthy seller got the 2.5K the poor UK buyer never heard from him again.
When the poor chap told me all about it it certainly put my just generally double figure losses in perspective.
As far as I`m aware to this day hes not been able to track him down again!!!!
Best Mark.
You of course know about the copy of A Fish Called Wanda I sent to a collector in germany that he never paid for.
I sent it with a film he had payed for to save him the postage, never a jot since. His name was Adreas. C.

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Steven Sigel
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posted February 19, 2004 02:02 PM

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Mark --

If I am understanding your posting correctly, you are blaming a country of 280 million people for one crooked seller.

There are crooks everywhere - right now there's a situation going on with a guy from denmark who apprently has stolen thousands of dollars from collectors all over the world.

Suggesting that one bad deal has any bearing on dealings with other people who just happen to live in the same country is patently absurd...

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Chris Quinn
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posted February 19, 2004 05:08 PM

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Come on lads, lets get on with the serious stuff. [Frown]

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Now, how can i up the brightness on a GS800, for some reason Elmo in there wisdom only fitted an 12V 100Watt lamp, strange in such a otherwise high speck machine. [Smile]

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 19, 2004 06:29 PM

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Hi guys and Steve, Yes reading the posts you are quite right. I only wanted to point out that the same happens on both sides of the globe unfortunately.
What I would like to say is that if any guys in the US want a film from a UK seller who wont ship to your part of the world then contact one of us guys who you have delat with before. [Wink]

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I am more than willing to buy the film on behalf of a US buyer and then ship it on. I personaly have never had any problems shipping to the US but getting things into the UK can be a nightmare sometimes unless you do as I said earlier, to keep our customs out of the equation. [Mad]

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Lets support both forums and all carry on being gentlemanly about it. It's too great a hobby to squable over. [Smile]

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Mark Todd
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posted February 19, 2004 06:40 PM

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Hi Steven, no I`m not blamming the 280M for one crooked seller, but there are lots more of them than that your way and ours, ebay is rife with them, just read a few experiances on efilm etc.
I know your one of the totally straight kind and in film we either seem to fit into one or the other generally.
Thing is with International sales, especially buying you take a great big gamble, about 5 months ago I bought a copy of greystoke on 16mm and it was supposed to be unmarked. Cost me rather a lot and the high postage from Australia but I was happy as I was buying it Via a chap I knew to be sqaure.
The problem was that he was selling it for a customer of his who frankly was fibbing as it was covered in the most awful rewind marks, up down all over and so many, you simply couldn`t enjoy it at all.
The chap just offered a very very paltry few £`s not even getting near to the post alone so the middleman who was so honest actually gave me some cash himself as it turned out as the other fellow hadn`t played ball.
I sold it very cheap on ebay and in all I lost about £70+ which isn`t a fortune but is roughly what I have coming in to live on a week, luckily I don`t have to pay rent out of that.
But these things do happen regulary and with overseas sales what can you do.
Much of my costly bad luck has been buying or seling oversea`s, Thats how it has panned out for me.
On the film sending thing Steven thats really good to know, I was just going by people your way asking me to put low values on so they wouldn`t pay, they maybe didn`t know that as well.
The package I`m about to send is film type hardware so sadly that won`t be exempt.
I know many people have had nothing but good things with overseas goings on but, every now and again!!!! and some people are more lucky that others.
Best Mark.
Ps just bought a new sealed DVD I was after from the US, when it came it was a poor "copy" from VHS, or something,dreadfully shoddy.But I`m not suggesting its all US or all UK, just you have to tread carefully, not least if you are sending from the UK with their on route rugby postal goings on anything is possible.
By the way whats this Denmark thing then. I know there was supposed to have been a right going on with a one time UK dealer a few years ago involving overseas credit card customers.
But Steven its the money thing some of us like yourself and many others are decent and money is just a means to an end doing a pleasant transaction to others its just all about the money and no care for anyone.
There are some great salt of the earth types in the US so please edon`t get me wrong.

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posted February 19, 2004 09:03 PM

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I have used Ebay and other forums for some great deals and probably the worst deal was from Hawaii of all places!
The seller sold me an Elmo ST1200HD and many films for a good price. Well, Saturday Night Fever the Feature and Grease the Feature were very pink! Very pink and the Agatha Christie Feature was totally red!
And worst of all...the ST1200 had melted belts and was filled with little cockroach eggs. I knew it the minute it arrived by the smell. It would have cost too much to send back so I ate it! Uggh.(The money loss..not the eggs!)

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Tony Milman
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posted February 20, 2004 01:57 AM

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This is all getting a little too out of hand. Personal experiences with the US, New Zealand, Germany, France etc have been fine EXCEPT where I am stupid and fail to ask the right question or FAIL to read the ebay advert correctly! MY FAULT!

Experience in the UK have been good with just one exception but hey that's life. Equally I have posted items all around the world. I take common sense precautions, pack well and keep the buyer informed and to date nothing has gone wrong. Basically I think to a large extent you make your own bad luck.

Super eight is a high risk venture (potentially). One man's pink is anothers red, excellent to mint is anothers good etc.

Something UK buyers need to consider. In the press today there was discussion of the strong pound (I won't say weak dollar!!!!) and the rush in the UK via ebay to purchase goods from the US. The thread basically suggested that customs will increase their monitoring of postal items...you have been warned!

Look chaps, this is a real friendly forum with people from all around the globe participating and expanding the knowledge bank of us all. The thread was an innocent comment on an initiative by a fellow enthusiast. It has since been reduced into a seemingly pointless spat.

Can we draw a line under this and move on?

Tony [Smile]

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