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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted May 15, 2006 10:33 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have just projected "Three Cabaleros" (200" Disney, made in USA, printed on Kodak SP).

Talking about color, this particular title is still holding well against other Disneys who were released in USA.

When Donald and friends are singing, blue dress of Donald, yellow sombrero, red dress, green backround and dark side are distinguishable very well.

But when the story goes to the live action (when the three are flying to Mexico) what are seen on live action (human) is reddish.

Check your reel and report if you have similar fact.

So what do you think behind this? Do you think that cartoons (animation) are holding color more than live action?

cheers,

[ May 16, 2006, 06:34 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Joerg Polzfusz
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 - posted May 16, 2006 06:29 AM      Profile for Joerg Polzfusz   Author's Homepage   Email Joerg Polzfusz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If I recall correctly, the live-action was indeed a little bit reddish when I saw the film as a video. Hence this could be due to the original negatives as well - AFAIK the cartoon-sections have been shot in Technicolor, the live-actions might have been shot with some other filmstock (e.g. the early slide/double8/...-Agfa-colour films tended to be too reddish when coming fresh from the lab).

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Kevin Faulkner
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In the UK this Release from Buck Film Labs was printed on Fuji stock. The colours still leap off the screen to this day. I havent really noticed any redish look to the live action sections.

Kev.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Yes, Kevin, Buck Film Lab is known to have good color. Unfortunatelly all my Disneys are made in USA.

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Jan Bister
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I think cartoons fade just the same as live-action films (depending on film stock, of course). But you notice it less because cartoon colors are more of a subjective thing and up to the artists that created them - there is no reference to what the colors should be, like there is with live-action scenes. You just know when a daylight scene doesn't look like daylight, or an actor's skin color looks unnatural, but with cartoon characters and backdrops you can't really tell. That's what I think, anyway... so the eye is more forgiving to (slightly) faded cartoons.
Does this make sense?

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Kevin Faulkner
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Jan I think that is a fair comment and would go a long with that.

Kev.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted May 16, 2006 11:28 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jan, your comment does make sense.

But last night, I projected another "Three Cabaleros" which was printed on Eastman and also was made in USA.

Guess what, all color on cartoon scene as well as the live-action are reddish.

Is it connected with the stock? Another thesis to be solved...

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John Clancy
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Or is it because the film stock was flashed prior to processing?

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Osi Osgood
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I've noticed better color on some releases from Disneys "golden age of Super 8", and I think it's definitely due to the fuji stock that was used. Most of my 400ft. releases are on fuji, and they still look perfect, (color-wise)

Sadly, it seems that certian releases were only released on Eastman stock. Mickey's Memorable Moments volume two, for instance. All the copies of this have faded color, sadly. Have any of you ran into any fuji color prints of this?

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Andreas Eggeling
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>>>>Buck Film Lab is known to have good color. <<<

Hi Winbert,
have seen some Buck Films which are turned very red.

Andreas

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