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Juergen Lossau
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Here are the topics of smallformat 5/2007. The new issue will be shipped in two weeks:

clapper AN EXPENSIVE HOBBY? Jürgen Lossau reveals the cheapest film stocks in Single-8, Super 8 and 16mm

viewer NINE OF NINETY-NINE The International NOMOS Super 8 Award 2007 was presented in Berlin, Australian film festivals and news about film stocks and processing - especially about the new designed Super 8 cartridge of GK-Film

screening TUSCHINSKI’S TREASURE Jürgen Lossau investigates Amsterdam’s renowned film palace and its founder

screening SIXTY FEATURES ON SHOW Dan Lail from Georgia (USA) presents his home cinema

screening EUMIG OUTCLASSES ELMO says Paul Adsett from Orlando, Florida, as he shows us his private cinema

timelapse ONLY ON PAPER Claus Krönke explores the patent offices in search of interesting cine gear that never made it into production

screening OUT OF THE BOX - part 8 - John Clancy and Keith Wilton examine the enigma of Ken Films (USA)

portrait EYE CANDY Jürgen Lossau reveals that wedding couples wish to see themselves on “real film”

portrait “I HATE WEDDING VIDEOS” declares wedding filmmaker Damo Cross from Great Britain

portrait “I WANTED MY OWN WEDDING ON SUPER 8” A talk with Paul Corver, founder of “Fifty Foot Films,” USA

portrait “FILM REMINDS YOU OF THE MOMENT” Interview with Kristen* from Bliss* Video Productions, USA

test TRIPPING THE LIGHT FANTASTIC Jürgen Lossau evaluates a new LED ring light for shooting stop frame animation

test CARDIAC PACEMAKER Claus Krönke tries out DS-8 Ektachrome 100D – a film stock supplied by Wittner Cinetec

tak’s talk SHOOTING 8MM ABROAD Japanese filmmaker Tak Kohyama meets Frenchman Aimé Jardon, who lived and filmed in Japan from 1953 onwards

interview SUPER 8 PORTER Canadian John Porter discusses his artful filmmaking

forum LETTERS TO THE EDITOR from Bosnia-Herzegovina, United Kingdom, the USA and Germany

The world of small format film has become more international in recent years, especially since not everyone lives near others who enjoy this fantastic hobby. A respected technical magazine read by film enthusiasts worldwide is more important than ever. smallformat is that magazine. Explore it for yourself!

We would like to make you an unbeatable offer: Subscribe to smallformat now and receive a free Kodak Ektachrome 64T Super 8 film cartridge.

PM with your address is fine - or have a look at www.smallformat.de

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John Clancy
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Eumig outclasses Elmo!!! I'm going to have to have a word with the Mr. Adsett!!!

But I have to say, this article should be interesting. Looking forward to it.

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Paul Adsett
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Well john, of course they are both wonderful machines, and each machine has its own particular strong points. Really the GS1200 is the machine of choice for large hall presentations, but in a smaller environment I feel the Eumig can more than hold its own.
Here, as I see it, are the strong points of each machine:

Elmo GS1200 Stereo

PLUSES
Sync-pulse capability
1200 ft reels
200 watt lighting
Optical track playback
Long lasting magnetic sound heads

MINUSES
Complex electro-mechanical control system reduces reliability
Very heavy 35lbs plus
Can be unkind to film (scratches)without diligent attention/modification

Eumig 938 Stereo

PLUSES
Very quiet running
The best film transport mechanism - very very kind to film
Absolutely rock steady pictures
Superb stereo recording and play back quality
Beautiful outboard recording/mixing console- so easy to use.
800ft reel capacity
150 watt lighting
Lightweight 20 lbs
Sound heads are not subject to wear when projecting silent films

MINUSES
Sound head wear
Comes with a mediocre lens, but superb picture quality with f1.0 lenses.

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The best of all worlds- 8mm, super 8mm, 9.5mm, and HD Digital Projection,
Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj

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Dan Lail
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Juergen, thank you for doing an article on my home cinema. I am looking forward to seeing the copy. This is really an honor for me. Your magazine has proven once again that film is King. Keep the articles coming! [Smile]

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John Clancy
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An interesting summary Paul. Though I find each projector varies. Currently all three of my GS1200's are running nicely but in the past I have noticed differences in recording capabilities amongst other things. However, when the recording is set up correctly (thanks Kevo!) I bet it would give the Eumig a run for its money. In fact, I'd be chuffed if the Eumig was better because that would be almost unbelievable.

How about the following for the pluses of the GS1200???
Sync-pulse capability
1200 ft reels
200 watt and Xenon lighting
Optical track playback
Long lasting magnetic sound heads
Heavy construction
Kind to film but benefits from maintenance/modification
Most replacement parts still available new or reconditioned
Some obsolete parts now being remanufactured
Plenty of machines available meaning donors can be obtained.
Specialist service people all over the world
Excellent recording capabilities
Excellent sound reproduction
HTI conversion kit
Retro looks for maximum attention at shows!

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Lee Mannering
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Interesting how opinions differ. Like Paul I find the Eumig Stereo machines super. Yes, as with all machines each has draw backs, but the Eumig 940 is a good compact Stereo machine which provides excellent results. The things I hate about the 940, 938 and 926 is that they all use a tiny main drive belt which is not up to the job of turning heavy mechanics. In time these slacken off and cause the idler rollers inside the machine to bash against the chassis causing one hell of a noise and slowing the machine down. Other negatives are very soft audio heads and just a little more plastic in critical areas.

We also have Elmo here in the shape of GS800 and GS1200. The 800 was and still is used for all my home movie recordings in the main as I like the variable one touch sound dub facility the 1200 does not have. Its handy then re recording release prints I find. Sound quality from this machine I personally find the best of all my machines and playback is through two studio monitors. Over the years I’ve had a few GS1200 machines and never liked them until the one purchased this year when I picked up one of the later models and was extremely pleased with its results in both projecting and recording. I can only put this down to the other GS1200 machines I had being either well worn before I owned them or further improvements in the late version. This later machine is very quiet indeed and certainly matches the Eumig 940. The build quality of the GS1200 is much more rugged and I know it when lifting it on and off the stand at screenings. Having had the flu jab last week, my arm was already throbbing without lifting the GS at the weekend 5 hour show.

In truth I think it fair to say the Eumig is an excellent machine, but I really don’t think they will stand the years of heavy use I need to have available here from my equipment at the numerous shows we have each month which this year will total some 126 and over 500 hours of super 8 shown at home alone, that’s without the film screenings at old folks homes and various visits to clubs, schools and lectures.

It has to be the GS1200 or 800 vote for me sorry to say, as much as I love the Eumig 940.

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Kevin Faulkner
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"Sound heads are not subject to wear when projecting silent films"
Same goes for the GS1200. Just flick it to optical and leave the vol control down [Smile]

"Superb stereo recording and play back quality" - The GS can produce near Hi-Fi quality sound.
Elmo, I'm sure desingned the machine with the thoughts that anyone using the machine seriously would have speakers placed on either side of the screen so why add to the cost and put up market speakers in the rear cover. It's for this reason the Eumig sounds better than the GS. Plug the GS into a decent amp or attach decent speakers to it and it too will sound very nice.

Kev

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Graham Sinden
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I can see a punch up coming on. [Big Grin]

Go on eumig, come on elmo, punch him in the lamphouse, pull off his rear arm eumig!

and the winner is..

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Paul Adsett
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This question was resolved a couple of years ago, when we had unanimous agreement on this forum that the best ever super 8 sound projector was the very rare and elusive Elmig GS938 Stereo! [Big Grin]

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Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj

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Graham Sinden
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Excellent picture Paul, If only the two companies merged, if only...?

Personally I have to agree with Lee and Kevin. The Eumigs are great and I love the console like controls and the digital counter of the 940 (my only stereo eumig is a 926). But at the end of the day I feel the Elmo ST1200 and GS1200 will outlast the Eumigs purely because of the build quality and the fact that there are lots of mods for them to keep them going. Certaintly there seems to be more discussion about them on this forum. I think that the sound quality is about equal on both makes (certaintly to my ears).

Eumigs have lots of recording features, although no pulse sync.

Elmos have better build quality and will last longer, and the GS1200 also looks the business! [Smile]

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Lee Mannering
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Well Graham. At least you made me smile with that comment. You are right Graham, and as I mentioned Kev, we all have our own opinions. Thankfully we are still free enough for that here in the jolly old UK.

It’s a shame Kevin that not all machines enabled the sound head pressure pads to be withdrawn when showing silent films eigh.

Paul, I do like that imaginative picture but the blend of metal and plastic will probably mean that the plastic mountings for the lamp house brackets will snap off in time.

Question.
Will Bozanium improve matters?

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John Clancy
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I like 'em both but the only Eumig stereo I've ever used had the tandem spools and boasted a knackered stereo head. If I could find one in good condition though I'm sure I'd make good use of it.

Apologies if my reply gave the impression I was unhappy with what had been stated by others, that was not my intention. But at least it's started yet another of those interesing debates we get into occasionally.

Now I think the Chinon SS-1200 is up there with the best of the projectors but they're a bit fragile and scratch after a few hundred hours use.

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Dan Lail
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When old projectors die and go to heaven A GS-1200 will be waiting at the pearly gates to accept them in and to give each one a copy of SmallFormat Magazine. [Big Grin]

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Paul Adsett
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I totally agree with the comments about the ruggedness and durability of the GS1200 - one reason I run it a lot more than the Eumig 938. But whenever I do run the 938 I am really impressed by what a sweet running, and totally fuss-free, and great performing projector it is, particularly on film steadiness and sound quality.

Kev, I run both the 938 and the GS thru an external stereo system. The sound from the GS is very good, but I have to say, at least on the particular projectors that I have, that the 938 sound is noticeably superior. Better base, cleaner highs, and zero WOW. Just a joy to listen to when you have a re-recorded film.

John, the Eumig 926 is a single sprocket machine with 600ft capacity and a 100 watt lamp, and as you say, has the coaxial reels which are a real pain. The 938 is a 2 sprocket machine with traditional in-line film path, 800ft capacity, and a 150watt lamp. A much better machine all round than the 926, but still keeping the 926's superb sound mixing console and stereo amplifier design.

Lee, the lamp house brackets in the Elmig were changed from plastic to titanium metal early on in the production run. [Big Grin]
Bozanium was probably not used because it is radioactive! [Big Grin]

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Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj

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Graham Sinden
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This is another one of those debates where there isnt really a clear answer. We all have our own likes/dislikes about which projector is the quietest running, best sound, best optics, best film path etc.

As for the film path, Ive never studied this on an eumig 938/940 but I would say the GS1200 can be just as gentle on film if care and attention is made to the film path and modifying any areas that might scratch by adding rollers and filing bits here and there.

The GS1200 does have a complex mecanical and electrical system which when goes wrong could be bypassed to make the machine more manual. Most components (same as eumig) can be changed but the replacements might not fit on the PCB but this can be overcome with a bit of time and effort.

The best way to look at it is to have both a top Eumig and a top Elmo. Use the Eumig for showing quick short films where you dont want to get backache lifing the projector. Use the Elmo GS1200 for features particularly scope where you could do with that extra light.

Graham S

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Alan Rik
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I own both machines and when I first started using the Eumig I wasn't that impressed. I loved the design but I didn't really like the picture that much. Then I put on "Aliens" and I realized halfway through the film that I wasn't fussing with the projector! I was just WATCHING the movie! I got sucked in. And this was with the mono sound on the print that I have. The Eumig I have is NOS and runs beautifully. The sound is great. I sometimes use that if the film is not on 1200ft reels. It is a great projector.
I haven't tried recording with the Eumig but after Kev's suggestion I have to say to get even better recordings off of the GS would take a pulse sync version of the Goko 8008! (That produces STUNNING sound!)
The playback on the Eumig is nice with its standalone speakers and better than the sound off of the GS1200 speakers. However I have to agree with Kev in regards to the sound of the GS when played back through an amp. I heard the "Fantasia" print that Keith Wilton played when I went to the UK. It sounded near CD quality and he was using the tracks off of the GS! I thought it was pulse synced to the movie!
Incredible sound. Smooth, wow free, perfect treble...incredible really!
Even though the equipment can be a hassle...it has to be one of the funnest parts of this hobby!

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How do you say Eumig?

OOmig or YOOmig?

Mike [Roll Eyes]

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Graham Sinden
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I say YOUMIG !

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Lee Mannering
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Oimig

Nothing to do with this thread but I am also rather keen on the Eumig Hi-Fi, and they did a very nice range in the 80's.

Can I ask a wee question about the GS1200 here?
How come some late models had LED sound level meters, or was this a out of house mod?

Happy Eumig day.

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Graham Sinden
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Lee,

These LED sound meters were on the GS1200 Pcom which was a seperate model Elmo made with a bolt on sound mixer console (like the eumig's) but was not sold in the UK.

Any standard GS's with these LED's I believe would be a mod made by someone who got hold of these as a spare part, I think. Mabye Kev or someone else could put us right.

Graham S

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John Clancy
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Come on Jurgen... how long before the next Super 8 fix arrives through our letterboxes?

This one looks set to be a classic!

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The Eumigs are built as strong as tanks.
Others may find them to be useful anchors
when the drive wheels wear out.

I have the 800 series machines and have
wondered why Eumig created a machine that
will not permit you to take the film
out of the film path if you decide to
stop and unthread the film at any time
during the presentation?

Other than that, the Eumigs in the 800 line
tend to have that hum-ig quality, which I have
never been able to completely eliminate by moving
that wire coil near the playback heads.

Although I have not tried a notch filter to
cut the hum on the sound output.

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The 900 series Eumigs had many improvements over the 800's.The hum problem was eliminated and the sound quality was taken to a whole new level of fidelity. The motor drive disc was totally redesigned, and the 900's have a much better arrangement which permits precise speed control during projection. I agree with you that the Eumig's do not permit unthreading the film half way thru, but have you ever tried doing it on a GS1200?
It's hard to do on the GS, and in any case how often do you really want to do this? If you put a reel on, you usually want to see it through. What I like about the Eumig designs is the way the lens is spring loaded into a precision V-GROOVE machined directly into the chassis wall. This eliminates all the alignment repeatability issues you can get with the hinged lens holder designs.

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Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Back to topic: Winbert is in this issue as well!!! [Wink]

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Hi JM,

Is that true!!?

Indeed, Juergen contacted me regarding my article in Indonesian magazine. But, I was thinking it would be for the next issue as the time Juergen emailed me was so close to the his magazine's publish date.

What does he write?? I am socurious!.

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