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Jon Anders Klausen
Film Handler

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From: Trondheim, Norway
Registered: Apr 2007


 - posted March 26, 2008 12:14 PM      Profile for Jon Anders Klausen   Email Jon Anders Klausen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,

I just bought a couple of animations on ebay with sound. however, there is no sound coming from the projector. Both prints have a small brown stripe on one side (the other has the holes). Is this magnetic sound?

Is there a way to get the sound? Some magic switch somewhere?

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Joerg Polzfusz
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006


 - posted March 26, 2008 12:31 PM      Profile for Joerg Polzfusz   Author's Homepage   Email Joerg Polzfusz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,

yes, brown stripes on one or both sides = magnetic soundtrack.

As for the "magic switch": Do you have got a sound-projector that can reproduce magnetic soundtracks? Is the volume set to something above 0? Do you have got a projector that can reproduce both optical and magnetical soundtracks and is it set to "magnetical"? Is your projector set to "recording" or "play back"? Do you have got an internal speaker? Can you attach an external speaker? Is the projector set to use the correct speaker? Do you have got a stereo- or duoplay-projector where you can disable/enable the separate tracks? Etc. pp. - Please name your projector.

BTW: Having a magnetic soundtrack doesn't mean that there's actually sound on it. It still can be empty as a new, blank MC, MD, CD, DVD or VHS tape. When the cartoons came in the original box with a "Sound"-label/sticker, there should be sound. Otherwise the previous owner might have post-striped the films, but never managed to record the sound.

Jörg

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Jon Anders Klausen
Film Handler

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From: Trondheim, Norway
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 - posted March 26, 2008 01:35 PM      Profile for Jon Anders Klausen   Email Jon Anders Klausen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Many questions [Wink] Let´s see, I have a Bolex SM 80 Electronic. Sound (with internal speaker), it plays at least optical sound. I´ve tried to turn the sound up and down, but there´s no sound.

I would guess it´s probably just my machine that´s not able to play magnetic sound. I´m going to try the other film after I´ve cleaned up some parts, and then see what happens. Maybe it´s the film that has no sound (the box says sound. A Tom and Jerry cartoon).

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Mike Peckham
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: West Sussex, UK.
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 - posted March 26, 2008 02:03 PM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello Jon

Whilst I'm not familiar with the Bolex SM 80 Electronic, I do have the test report for it from "Movie Maker Magazine". I've just had a quick look at the report and it says that it is a twin track sound machine, this means that it will play films with magnetic sound tracks but being twin track it is important to ensure that you have the machine set to play the main sound stripe on the film. It might be that it is currently set to play back the balance stripe which would explain why you aren't getting any sound from your film.

If it's any help, I could email you scans of the test report, whilst it's not a manual it would help you to become aquainted with your machine and know what it is capable of and hopefully how to acheive it!

Let me know

Mike [Smile]

Edit: Just had a quick read of the report and it seems that your projector, in common with most twin track projectors, has a rotory knob used for selecting Track 1, Track 2, or both. To play your film you'll need to have that switch set to Track 1. Hope that helps.

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Jon Anders Klausen
Film Handler

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From: Trondheim, Norway
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 - posted March 26, 2008 02:30 PM      Profile for Jon Anders Klausen   Email Jon Anders Klausen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike: I´d really like to have those scans. I have no manual or anything for my projector. I have one for Eumig s810, that is similar, but would like to have more on it. I´ll PM you my email [Smile]

...and I´ll check that switch out. Didn´t know what that was for, hehe.

edit: this is pretty embarrasing to admit.... I didn´t have the cover that have the speaker in it on... [Frown]

but at least I found out that my machine has magnetic sound. Big thanks for all the help! [Big Grin]

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Dan Lail
Film God

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 - posted March 26, 2008 02:45 PM      Profile for Dan Lail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Glad you found the problem. When trouble shooting always start from the most simpliest(obvious) possibility and work towards the more complex. [Smile]

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Jon Anders Klausen
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Good ponit Dan! I have a tendency to start in the wrong end, hehe

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Joerg Polzfusz
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From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
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 - posted March 27, 2008 04:58 AM      Profile for Joerg Polzfusz   Author's Homepage   Email Joerg Polzfusz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,

I'm glad that you've eliminated your problem. BTW: Some sources where you can buy manuals for your projector:
Dutch (as PDF):
http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/2158698-Documents-eBooks-Recipes-Manuals
English (original or reprinted manual):
http://www.craigcamera.com/ib_b.htm

I haven't found a free manual for your projector with google. But you might wanna try the usual "Download the manual as PDF/JPEGS for free"-pages yourself:
http://www.super8aid.net/manuals.html
http://www.super8.no/manuals.html
http://spazioinwind.libero.it/passoridotto/pagina-download-almanacchi.htm
http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/index.php?category=2#8mm%20projectors
http://www.super8data.com/
http://www.galstown.ne.jp/movie/muen/
http://www.super8-projektor.de/index.php?site=downloads
http://www.mondofoto.com/manuals/
http://www.single8film.com/manuals.html
http://www.myoldcamera.com/Manuals.html
http://www.8mmfilmstock.com/canon814manual.html
http://www.marriottworld.com/instruct_page.htm
http://www.kyphoto.com/classics/instructionmanuals.html
http://www.kyphoto.com/classics/repairmanuals.html

Jörg

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Jon Anders Klausen
Film Handler

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From: Trondheim, Norway
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 - posted March 27, 2008 05:35 AM      Profile for Jon Anders Klausen   Email Jon Anders Klausen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
that was a helluva big list that´ll keep me on the net for a while Jörg! Many thanks!! [Big Grin]

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