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Janice Glesser
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Yes, Maurice....that looks like the same cord. Hopefully it will work for you guys too [Smile] If the prongs on your machine are the same size as on mine...then like I said with a little stretching and prodding you can make it fit.

Paul...I agree about the great quality of this little Bolex. It's a pleasure to run even though it looks like a 1950's toaster [Smile]

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[ September 27, 2014, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: Janice Glesser ]

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Barry Fritz
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Anyone looking to purchase one of these fine projectors should make certain they are getting the model with the halogen bulb, unless they are as creative and handy as Janice is. This is from the Bolex collector web site:

When first introduced, the 18-5L used an incandescent 12V 75W bayonet mounted bulb. (Phillips designation 13730C 04 RT44 - also referred to as the "spaceman bulb") After approximately 1970, the projector used a halogen lamp with a built-in dichroic filter. Bolex catalogs and advertising from 1970 offered a choice between the two types, and it appears that both versions were offered for a short time. Later advertising, however, only lists the 18-5L with halogen bulb. Halogen Lamp EFN Halogen Lamp Unfortunately, the 12V 75W incandescent lamp used on earlier models was discontinued in the 1980s. The modern equivalent of the Halogen bulb is the EFN 12V/75W, and is relatively inexpensive. From what I've been told, Bolex offered a bulb adapter for the incandescent version, but I don't have any more information than that. Chambless Cine Equipment offers a conversion that allows early 18-5L projectors to accept the EFN lamp.

For a compact, no frills reliable machine (with limited reel capactiy), these machines are hard to beat.

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Janice, looks like you have the 4-slice model, whereas mine is the earlier 2-slice model. [Big Grin]

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Janice Glesser
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[Smile] [Smile] [Smile] Paul...mine's Super 8mm.

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Paul del Rosario
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Hi. Yet another Paul here.

A friend of mine will soon present me with an 18-5L (without cord) from Germany. Does anyone know if the cable that Janice ordered from Amazon will fit? Also, do these things have built-in power converters? I see the little window on the side that indicates 220, 117, etc. with a knob to the side.

Any information appreciated.

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Barry Fritz
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Yes, Paul. You set it to the power you will be using.

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Paul del Rosario
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Thanks, Barry.

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Mathew James
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Great post that should be in the index!
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Dear Janice,

Please help! I just bought a Bolex 18-5 Super from a fellow in Ontario. Everything works great as far as i can tell, except the bulb [Smile]

I will not buy a new bulb(Robby Robot CXR) but will wait until i can convert to halogen like you did... i am in no rush, but i am having trouble locating which parts i need and from where.

I realize you did this conversion a while ago, but perhaps you have some tips to save me a headache [Smile]

Any help or tips on this machine is appreciated. Is there a service manual that shows the inside parts and schematics? i haven't found that either.
Thanx very much in advacne.
Matt

ps: I am so pleased with the cool soft purr sound this projector makes. it is so soothing however that i almost fall asleep watching silent films [Smile] [Smile] I only tried a couple before the bulb went .

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Janice Glesser
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Hi Matthew...This conversion thread is already in the Technical Tips Index... Listed under Bolex.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=011528

The conversion I did in the posts above used a lamp holder from a parted out Sankyo projector. However, I'm pretty sure you can do something similar using a QLV-1 socket. It could be mounted very much the same.

I have another 18-5 projector like yours that hasn't been converted yet. Hopefully I'll get around to converting it soon and I'll post the results. I plan on using the QLV-1 socket.

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Mathew James
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sorry i missed it in the index.

I wish i had half the confidence to tackle these issues as you do Janice [Smile] I'd love to shadow what you end up doing, again no rush! Maybe in the meanwhile i can order some parts to get ready. I see some QLV-1's listed on ebay. Where would you get yours?
It would be nice to fit this to work with the exact same bulbs as one of the elmos i have so as to share bulbs!

I would really like the one that just plugs in to the existing base and adapts to the EFN bulbs, but this is lazy, i know:
http://gyroscope.iwarp.com/bulb_sales_sheets/bolex18-5Ladapter.html

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Janice Glesser
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Matthew...When replacing a lamp system you should use the same voltage and wattage as the original bulb. Is your projector a 12 volt or 8 volt? If it's an 8 volt you can only use the EFM 8v 50w MR16 bulb.

I don't think it's lazy to buy an adapter...just expensive [Eek!] These were made for the 18-5L models. These projector were 12 volt lamp systems and the bulbs are no longer available. Hence...the conversion would use the 12v 75w EFN bulb. The EFN would not work in the 8 volt model. However...I don't see why the adapter wouldn't also work in an 8 volt system...just use the EFM bulb.

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Will Trenfield
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I'm still experimenting, trying to find a cheaper alternative to the CXR lamp. I've found that a 12v 50w MR16 GU5.3 halogen bulb, as sold for household lighting, works on a Sankyo 1000 which has a 8v 50w power supply to the lamp. On some Eumig projectors such as the Mark 501, you had a choice between projecting at full or economy illumination. This was achieved, I think, by applying a reduced voltage to the lamp for the economy setting so a higher voltage bulb should work on a lower voltage supply providing it has the same wattage as the original lamp. These 12v 50w bulbs can be bought on eBay for as little as £2.35 post free and are said to last up to 5,000 hours.

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Mathew James
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Janice, It looks like my machine takes the 8V50W Robbie Robot!

I guess i cannot modify to take the same bulbs as my elmos, which are 12V100W EFP.
That is fine. I was just hoping to make life easier.

I agree with using that adapter with the proper bulb.
Where can i get those parts to make that adapter? Thanx!

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Janice Glesser
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The adapter you reference Mathew is a proprietary unit designed by Bolex. I don't know if these are still being produced. You either buy one off the website or try to find the parts off a junker machine. The projectors labeled 12V 75W will have this adapter. You can also try to find a bulb holder and socket from a junker Sankyo like I and Terry Lagler did...or use the QLV-1 as I mentioned before.

As far as the QLV-1 is concerned...I just look for the cheapest price + shipping. I have frequently bought off Ebay. I've used several of these sockets and sometimes someone is selling multiples for a good price. I usually get them for about $9-$10 a piece.

Yes...It's a little scary getting into one of these conversions...but as Jennifer Tilly said in "Let It Ride"..."Nothing ventured...Nothing ventured." [Cool] [Smile]

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Well, i took the plunge and bought a couple osram bulbs and a QLV-1 from ebay for the conversion.
Nothing ventured...nothing ventured!

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Well, with all parts now in house, and some elbow grease...

Success!!!

This worked out great following your advice Janice!. This is just a crude bracket i made, but it works enough for now.
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So happy to have this working again!

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Nice work Matt! I'm glad that it fit!

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Janice Glesser
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Nice work Matt! I knew you could do it. Nice bracket retrofit there. I couldn't quite tell from the picture what the bracket was or how you attached it to the QLV-1. Could you explain a little more in detail and do you have another picture other than the closeup?

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Mathew James
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Hi All,

The bracket in question Janice unfortunately I am unsure exactly what it is, i took it from my 'i may need this thing one day' drawer...if memory servers correct, it looks like i saved some parts from when i installed some blinds. The hook thing that you attach to the wall to wrap the blind pullstring around..this is what i believe this may be.
I used two pliers to bend it to follow the shape of the qlv-1
and then drilled to attached to the left over original bracket.
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There is a problem however that must be mentioned before anyone wishes to proceed with this bracket.
Barry also asked me this question, so please be aware that
I cannot close the lamp cover completely. It is close, maybe out about 1/2 centimetre or so, but enough to prevent full closure. This allows some light to escape.
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For us, this is still an improvement from using the expensive robot bulbs, but i think another bracket may be better in this unit. There is no room to 'shave-off' any metal from the bracket to suit unfortunately.

Lastly, I am finding that after just 1 or 2 films(400') shown, the case area gets extremely hot to me. I am used to the elmo and didn't have the original bulb working long enough to compare, but i am wondering if this may be why some people have chosen to try LED?

[ September 05, 2017, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Mathew James ]

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Hi Janice

When I got mine it never had a power cord, however I did find one that fits and will provide you with an earth. All I know is that it is marked as coming from a Rollei projector. I have no idea if that means a movie or slide projector. The cord does fit and has three wires... live, neutral, and a green earth. Just to check the earthing, I put a meter across both the leads and from the projector itself to the earth terminal on the plug...its earthing alright. Anyway its the only lead I have found that fits the projector...must be rare..The earthing is the same as you would get, with many makes of electric jug...it slides against the earthing contact on the projector itself when pushing it in.
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Janice Glesser
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Thanks Graham! This is very good to know Graham even if those cords are hard to find. It does offer an alternative if the original cord is missing. [Smile]

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Just after posting those photos Janice I came across what might be is the real thing. It fits like a glove and the spring loaded steel strips after checking with a meter it is indeed the earth.

I was surprised to come across this cable [Eek!]
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The next time I am in town I will call into a electrical supplier with this sample and see if they are still made. [Smile]

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Yes please do post if you find a source for these cables Graham. I have a working cable for my 18-5, but it is not the real thing.

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Did you try Bolex, Paul ? I know they are not cheap...

https://www.bolex.ch/NEW/index.php

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Just a quick update, unfortunately the folk I talked to at the electrical suppliers say they are not avaliable, and added that type of socket with that type of earthing are now illegal and have not been made in years. I think there was a certain amount of doubt, that with age etc that making a good earth contact might become a bit iffy.

I had another look around at the Heritage park today at the old projectors stored there, but so far I have been unable to find another one.

If I do find one "Paul" you can have it. I will keep an eye out for you, now I no what they look like.

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