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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted March 29, 2010 03:17 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all,

I got these 2 Stooges:

- A Bird in the Head
- Love at First Bite
- Three Dark Horses

after checking with my bare eyes it seems they are in Color. But by visiting IMDB, I found they were originally shot in B/W.

So what is this? and what is the intention to give "colors"?

Are they tinted colors or just printed on color stock?

Finally, who released these sort of films?

thanks

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Joerg Polzfusz
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_colorization
http://www.stmbook.co.uk/oActor_DVD/Moe%20Howard_1.html

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Winbert Hutahaean
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I have projected mine, and it is quite disappointing!

There was no obvious color seen except similar to a B/W image projected with a brownish filter.

If the original idea was to give a color feels like this, why didn't just print in B/W and provided coloring filter??

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Joerg Polzfusz
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Hi,

* at least some Super8-b&w-films (Stan & Ollie, Charlie Chaplin, ...) have been printed onto colour-stock and hence became reddish by now.
* I've got one colour-print that faded/turned red so badly that it looks like a reddish-toned b&w-print when projected. (UFA, "Stoßgebet für einen Hammer")
* there have been some Super8-b&w-films that have been "toned". Your "brownish" sounds like "sepia" which is more or less a standard and hence even available as an extra mode in most digital still/video-cams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_tone#Sepia_toning

Jörg

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David Kilderry
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Winbert, for a time the price of silver made the cost of B & W film stock more expensive than colour. Many companies then began releasing their B & W films on colour stock to save costs.

Scratches in the emulsion would appear green!

I have a red faded Birth Of A Nation; such a shame.

David

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Hi JOerg

Yes exactly, my print is "sepia". I have read through your link but still cannot get the idea to what is the benefit to make a sepia print. Could you elaborate for me please?

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Joerg Polzfusz
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quote:
what is the benefit to make a sepia print
The benefit is that the print is now sepia toned [Wink]

There's no real reason for this for a commercial print of a non-experimental movie - except for the fact that some people prefer sepia over "real" b&w (as it looks less harsh) and that most people think that sepia looks "old / ancient" while b&w looks "contemporary".

There's still a slight chance that it's an unwanted effect caused by the used film-stock: E.g. some of the Orwo-reversal-b&w-stock are reported to have a slight blueish cast.

Jörg

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Thanks Joerg and David,

My last question, if I want to project this sepia tone back to B/W, what fileter no. should I place in front of projector?

(ps: I knew it will decrease the light output)

cheers

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