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Gerald Santana
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 - posted April 04, 2011 02:44 AM      Profile for Gerald Santana   Author's Homepage   Email Gerald Santana   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
After a few films run smoothly, I start to hear a fast and loud clicking sound inside the projector getting worse. Trying to figure it out, I've passed film through and it plays, the audio is there but, something with the shutter sounds very off. It has three blades, the 3rd does not turn as easily as the first two, when I spin it manually. When I turn it on without the back cover on, the shutter looks to be fine but it wobbles and makes the loud clicking sound.

Anyone know what this may be?

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Gerald Santana
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 - posted April 05, 2011 11:30 AM      Profile for Gerald Santana   Author's Homepage   Email Gerald Santana   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Update: I opened the back cover (while unplugged), noticed the shutter was scrapping the gate. Understanding that this was a inexpensive purchase for a projector however, still wanting to keep it together, I remembered that Lee Manning modified his 900 series from a three shutter blades to two. With needle nose pliers, I very slightly bent back the shutter that was scrapping.

I replaced the cover, turned it on, and the clicking, scrapping sound is now gone. I ran 6 different prints, the films with lubrication ran smoothly, the others had some chatter going through the claw. This 905 is a great little projector with very loud sound, it is temperamental when lubrication is absent however, loves to be fiddled with until it's a smooth move.

What can I say...another Forum success story!

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Tony Stucchio
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 - posted April 05, 2011 06:09 PM      Profile for Tony Stucchio   Email Tony Stucchio   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm a little confused - how can one blade of the shutter turn any differently than the other blades?

I really don't like those Eumig 900 - 926 series without the front sprocket. I got rid of mine long ago because of the film chatter issue. I wasn't about to sniff all those film cleaner fumes just to get films to run smoothly. Most prints run fine thru an Elmo without lubrication. Yet it seemed that almost every print needed a lube for that Eumig.

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Paul Adsett
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I agree Tony, the coaxial Eumigs are a real pain. The 930 and up went back to two sprockets and a conventional in-line film path, and handle film extremely well indeed, better than the Elmo's in fact.

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Tony Stucchio
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 - posted April 06, 2011 07:16 PM      Profile for Tony Stucchio   Email Tony Stucchio   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul,

You do like the 926 though, right?

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Paul Adsett
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Hi Tony,
No I do not like the 926 stereo, just because of that terrible coaxial film path. The 926 has great stereo sound and the outboard sound console is a joy to use. In these respects it is IMO superior to the GS1200. But that coaxial reel arrangement ruins it for me, with the lack of a feed sprocket causing the film coming off the supply reel to thrash around nosily, and you get unsteady pictures towards the end of the reel due to the jerking on the supply reel.
Eumig reverted to the 2-sprocket in-line film path on the 930 and up series, and these projectors handle film superbly - steadier and quieter than the GS1200. The 938 is the best projector I have ever used.

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Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj

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Tony Stucchio
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Paul,

I had remembered posts like these:

926

and others where you did raise some things you liked about them.

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Paul Adsett
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Tony,
I think that if you limit reel size to a maximum of 400ft, the 926 will usually handle them ok. Its with 600ft reels that mine always seemed to start jerking and becoming unsteady towards the end of the reel.
The 938 is essentially identical to the 926 design but with two sprockets, conventional in-line film path, a more powerful 150 watt lamp, and 800 ft reel capacity. That's the one to get!

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Tony Stucchio
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My 907 would even have issues with some 200 footers. Worst projector I ever had. I actually felt guilty for selling it -- but the buyer was happy.

Now, can someone please explain how one blade of the shutter can turn any differently than the other blades?

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Gerald Santana
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Hi Fellas -- I was wondering if this thread would turn into one for "Eumig Issues" based on the others I've read. I for one don't have any issues with it so far, but it's design is far from perfect. I do not have a clue why one of the blades was making contact with the gate, I wanted to fix this machine or ask for help here. In the meantime, I usually figure it out on my own based on other threads I find on Forum searches related to the problem I encounter. Here we had a scraping clicking sound that came with the projector when I got it, I went in there and gently made an adjustment, now it runs really quietly.

It's a projector I plan to share with my 7 year old to give him hands on experience. We have many different projectors only Dad is allowed to use, and it's almost time to get them involved with small programs. I have others for larger capacity reels however after my adjustments, the 905 is quieter than others I have. It's size fits really nicely on my desk and is very light, the only downside is that there is no immediate access to the gate. If there is any doubt that this machine has limitations, let's be clear: it's far from perfect, but over all it's a great innovative machine that still has some appeal, and a positive review in Movie Maker magazine. You can get a copy of it here from Jon Addams if you ask for a copy of the 910 review, there is a small blurb for the 905 within the larger article, which could serve as a user's manual for those interested.

I'm very happy with it, and it will make a nice addition to our collection.

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