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Joe Balitzki
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While projecting a film, what is the worst thing that has ever happened to you? [Eek!] Don't worry -- we won't tell anyone! [Razz]

I'll start:
I had arranged to show a feature at a local organization. The room had a pull down screen for their educational 16mm screenings. But the evening of my screening, I couldn't get the room dark enough to project a watchable picture. We all had to wait for it to get darker outside first. This was because it was summertime and it got dark much later in the evening hours.

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Patrick Walsh
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I had the take-up belt snap on me one night at my cinema, with a cinema full of women to watch SEX AND THE CITY 2, I had to turn the take-up reel by hand, for the whole film the entire 12000ft of it! then once the film was over I was able to grab the spare and fit it on!

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Bill Phelps
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Wow Patrick, that sucks!

Bill [Smile]

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Graham Ritchie
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Long ago I was asked to put on a away film show, so I loaded up the car with all the stuff and drove off. I kept thinking that I had forgotten something and went through the list in my head [Roll Eyes] projector, screen, speakers, stand, extension cord and so on.

Anyway I still felt I had forgotten something, got to where I was going, set things up, warmed the projector etc....then it came to me the.. FILMS.. I had left them behind sitting on the drive way....what an idiot.

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Ian O'Reilly
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My wife looked at the box and saw how much I paid for it [Eek!]

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Martin Jones
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Ian, you need a PLAN.

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John Yapp
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Perhaps my experience wasn't as potentially embarrassing as the other stories as it was in my own home, but I often use my kitchen as a projection area as I can get a nice long throw onto the wall by placing the projector on the worktop by the sink area. I projected a L&H print which had a couple of splices, but usually projected well. I threaded the film, turned off the lights, and watched the 400ft reel through from start to finish. I had failed to notice that a splice near the start of the movie had come apart after the film had passed through the projector, and instead of winding on to the take-up spool, had made itself a path directly into a bowl full of washing up water. Sadly, although I had heard that wetting the film was a great way to close up scratches, I must have respooled it before it was completely dry, and was never able to project it again.

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Joe Balitzki
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John, did you eventually get another print of that title?

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Bradford A Moore
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This was my worst for sure. A few weeks ago in memory of Sally Ride who passed away, and who was the first woman in outer space, I showed to a audience Fritz Langs's Woman In The Moon. I was using my Elmo St 800, and when I had threaded the third reel, I had forgotten to latch the lock which holds the reel in place. A few minutes after in started in fell off, and knocked my cup of red wine off too. The reel fell into the puddle of wine.

I then acted very quickly and wiped off any wet wine on the both sides of the reel. My audience was very helpful and understanding, and I didn't show that reel, and went on to the last two. After the showing I ran home, and very carefully cleaned the film on my rewinds with film renew. At first it was very difficult due to the stickiness, but I was able to get it smooth again. I then let it dry overnight like I would do anyway, and for safe measures repeated the process the following day. luckily when I did show the reel, it appeared to be fine.

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John Yapp
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I did indeed Joe, and now I make sure the sink is empty before projecting at home.

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Paul Adsett
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Forgetting to latch the reel lock on the Elmo's seems to be a very common problem. Sometimes a whole 1200ft reel will project without falling off. Other times the film will usually run fine for several minutes before there is a loud crash, and the film reel runs across the floor towards the screen! [Eek!]
Eumig and other manufacturers had spring loaded retention devices for spools, but Elmo always stuck with this manual lever lock, which unfortunately is easily overlooked when loading up films.

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Steve Klare
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I would imagine 1,200 feet of film could develop some momentum!

-better it falls off during projection than rewind, though...

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Gary Crawford
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I've told this before, but I'm projecting a standard 8 sound film in the screening room.... The projector is in a booth. I go into the screening room...and we watch...and then the entire picture begins to lean to the left...and then it disappears..totally. I rush to the booth to find the projector, A eumig 810 on the floor on its side still running ... the cat had gotten up on the tall shelf holding the projectors...gotten tangled in the AC cord...and down the machine went.
To show the toughness of the Eumig.... not only was the film still running ...but the bulb was still on. I put it back on its perch....chased the cat out of the booth....and we resumed.

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Dino Everette
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I was 15 years old and had just learned to be a projectionist. I was working at a Drive in and we had just switched from running change overs to building the whole feature up on a 10 or 12,000 foot reel. We had just installed failsafes as well so that if the projectpr lost its tension on the takeup it would shut the machine off. This was to free me up so I could be able to do other thing like run the snack bar, etc.....We had a sold out sneak preview of STRIPES. hundreds of cars on the field..The first thing that happened was the FM radio sound went out so the show got started late and we had to apologize, and explain that everyone had to use the speakers. Then I started up the feature and ran downstairs to help w/ the hundreds of people in the snack bar..It was busy through the whole film... When I went back upstairs it looked like the BLOB.. The entire 35mm feature film had not taken up on the reel and simply filled the projection booth about 2 feet high with film, and of course the fail safe never tripped.....The next day it took us over 8 hours to pull the film all across the field to untangle it and get it back on reels again so we could send it back to the exchange, and of course explain how we ruined the print after only one screening... I never trusted a take up again after that screening and never had any more issues like that...

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Claus Harding
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Ah, the hair-raisers.... [Big Grin]

Don't drink and rewind is the moral here..

I had run my old friend "King Kong" again in 16mm in my living room on the Eiki long-play unit, using 6000-ft reels.

Having had a couple of drinks, I was feeling fine when I set the unit up to rewind.
Normally I will run it in "playback" mode for rewind which limits the speed, and I always stay with it, but that night I put it in full rewind and went to the kitchen for a cold one.

The thing about the unit (and the large Goldberg aluminum reels) is that it may take a bit for them to get up to full speed, but once they do, unless you want the manicure of a lifetime, you keep your fingertips away from them, because at that point they are running almost as if they are cooling fans...

I had cracked the beer when I heard the sound.
That awful, familiar "fttt, fttt, fttt" that said that film was being spilled at high speed...stormed into the living room and saw that "Kong" had escaped again. This time not from a NY theatre, but from the projector-mounted rewind-roller that the Eiki unit uses.

"Kong" was being spilled onto my rug at a hair-raising speed and, worse, was also busy getting wrapped around the drive axle of the take-up reel....the horror.

I hit the "off" on the LP unit's motor which was academic at best as the mass of the reels would keep them going for a while and then there was only one thing to do. I grabbed the flanges from the front with my hands and shut the reels down before the possible massacre of the print could commence.

I now had two things: lots of 16mm print in a pile on the floor and blood dripping from my palms onto the rug, but the film had stopped.

After taking care of my hands, I could now finally begin cursing my own immense stupidity and my violating every good film-handler rule [Wink] because I knew the job that lay ahead....

The film, miraculously, was fine. To this day, I couldn't tell you where the accident took place on the reel, a fact for which I am very grateful.

Never leave a projector in operation...

Claus.

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Dino Everette
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But did you spill your drink?

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Claus Harding
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Badda-bing!

That drink was quickly forgotten in the kitchen when the alarming unspooling sounds began, although I did help myself to it after I realized the film was OK [Razz]

Claus.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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One of my mishaps was when screening the 4x400 "Mighty Joe
Young" mounted on a 1200' spool to my mates on my Elmo ST1200, I settled down and enjoyed the show with them.Halfway
through,I got up to refresh our drinks,only to find a mass of film
all around the machine, the cause being the little plastic track
guide that pushes back on a spring to accomadate larger spools
had become dislodged and sprung against the spool,halting
take up.The film wasn't harmed,but the useless guide was
removed and a roller left in situ.Every ST that I have subsequently had, has undergone this alteration.

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Paul Adsett
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Does anybody actually use that push back roller arm when using smaller than 1200ft take up reels on the Elmo ST and GS projectors?

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Joe Balitzki
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I do if using a ELMO 800' reel so that the Leader automatically threads onto the takeup reel. But its not really necessary if you attach the Leader to the takeup reel of course. What is odd is the diameter of the ELMO 800' takeup reel compared to other brands. And the instructions tell you to use their reel; it must have something to do with the torque on takeup.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Exactly right Joe,as I understand it helps stop any chance of
wow on soundtrack.Although I haven't encountered any with
Elmo's as their sound repro is usually very good.

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Dino Everette
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I too remove it to avoid exactly that same scenario

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Joe Balitzki
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@Hugh: I haven't encountered any wow issues with ELMOs either.

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Orlando Eastwood
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While it wasn't projecting, I have a Baia Dual 8 editor and I can play back my Super 8mm print of "Nosferatu". I was playing through it on reel three and it snapped half way through it while I was showing it to my cousin. Luckily, the editor came with regular 8mm and Super 8mm splicing tape. So, I managed to perform an operation on it and save it. What a relief.

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David Michael Leugers
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I just started watching a 2000ft reel of "The Big Sleep" with Robert Mitchum when I fell asleep. Dead to the world. When I awoke the screen was blazing white and although my JAN projector was still running it didn't sound quite right. I had a separate projection room at that time and when I entered I was faced with the biggest pile of film on the floor imaginable. The take-up reel had only a small amount of film on it ending where an old splice had come apart... I was so sickened by my bad luck and falling asleep I just turned out the lights and went to bed. I managed to do decent job of saving the film the next day hand winding through Webril Wipes soaked in Filmrenew...

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