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Austin Holcomb
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I've read that they have made the full feature and the one I recently acquired is on 2 800' reels. The leader says Marketing films and the stock says Safety Film Kodak. Is this a low fade stock? If it is'nt how is the color still this good like in the picture below? And is this the full feature? If you have this print of this feature what is it mounted on? And how are the colors?
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Steve Klare
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Hi Austin,

The IMDB says "Grease" is 110 minutes long, and your two reels run about 80 minutes total if full, so you can't have the whole thing. Hopefully there isn't supposed to be a third 800 footer, but you'll know that as soon as you watch the movie.

Derann's "Grease" is 7x400', so there's enough reel space there for 140 minutes.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Austin,

Kodak SP is not LPP. It was released before LPP, around the end of 1970s.

Your print has good color but far from LPP. If you see the Grease on LPP (which was issued by Derann) you will understand it.

Now, Steve, please remember that Marketing always use thin stock resulting 800' rel can take 55 - 60 minutes film (if full - equal to three parter). So Austin 2 800' can be a full movie.

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Austin Holcomb
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I watched it and it looks to be the whole feature. I have heard they used a thinner film. I just wanted some feedback from members at the forum.
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Winbert Hutahaean
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Yes that what I thought so, thinner stock.

BTW, here is a screen shot of the same film which is on LPP.

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Does not mean to let you down with your print, but I guess you will see the different between LPP vs Kodak SP, won't you?

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Steve Klare
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quote:
Now, Steve, please remember that Marketing always use thin stock resulting 800' rel can take 55 - 60 minutes film (if full - equal to three parter). So Austin 2 800' can be a full movie.

Interesting!

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Austin Holcomb
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My print still projects very well on the big screen. And I am happy with it I only have about a $35 investment in it.
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Winbert Hutahaean
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quote:
a $35 investment in it.
That is a real steal price. May I know if you get it from Ebay?

Steve, regarding 3 parter of Marketing release on a 800' reel has been discussed many times in this forum.

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Austin Holcomb
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It was on eBay but I traded up for it and with the trading and everything to get it that's about all I had invested. I was mainly wanting to know if this is the full feature. I should note that it was originally 4X400' reels and is on 2 800' reels.
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Winbert Hutahaean
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Marketing released 4 version of this title:

1. 200 feet
2. 400 feet
3. 3 x 400'
4. Full feature (which I guess is 6 x 400')

So I don't know how you can say 4 x 400'.

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Austin Holcomb
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In the 2 800' reels there are 2 splices at 400' each.

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Greg Marshall
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Austin,

I've had several of the Marketing prints through my years of collecting. Marketing released most of the 'Grease' prints on a thin polyester stock, on 4x400' reels, very full reels. The prints I had had varying degrees of color loss, some were Eastman prints, some SP. I don't believe Marketing ever released this title on a low-fade stock. Glad you ran the print to find it was the full feature, as a 2x800 set would be just that.

I've since replaced my Marketing prints with a Derann Scope/LPP print, which was a desire for a few years.

$35 was a bargain, truly. Prints I've sold have averaged $100 to $125, depending on condition.

Enjoy!

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Austin Holcomb
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Wow thanks for the help [Smile]
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John Yapp
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Hi Austin
I have the marketing film 4x400ft version, which I have always taken to be the whole feature. The film is very thin, and each of the reels last over 27 minutes.

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Austin Holcomb
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How is the color? Any screenshots ?

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Marketing Films I think were the first company to release their
films on Estar stock.The length of the film was printed on the box
as 110 M, and it was possible to squeeze 3x400' onto an 800'
spool.

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Austin Holcomb
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How do I keep the colors looking good on my print?

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Maurice Leakey
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I have Marketing #2402 which although in a 400' box is only on a 200' spool. It is on 1979 SP stock and the colour is brilliant.

Which brings me to always smile when I see the box with its alternative title of "Brillantina".

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Austin Holcomb
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Wow that's interesting I'd love to see a 200' box that matches the reel do you know if all of the digests from marketing are like this ?

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Douglas Meltzer
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My 4x400' Marketing print of Grease is complete. The funny thing is that Marketing shipped the thin stock features in the same boxes so that they're half empty. I first thought "Where's the rest of it?"
My SP print is fairly warm.

Doug

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Winbert Hutahaean
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I think people have different opinion in saying fade, warm, good or excelent color. To me I grade the color with this;

1. Faded (as we always found on old Eastman), no color left
2. Warm (normally Kodak SP), where we can see green, blue, yellow, etc but not strong
3. Good (later stock, Fuji or AGFA) all colors are present but not vibrant. It can be pale
4. Excellent (LPP and later AGFA, Kodachrome). No fade, no issue at all, just like current DVD

So I am also curios to know if there is Kodak SP with brilliant color. Maurice, Can you do some acreen shots if you have tinw please.

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Hello Winbert,you've forgotten the infamous Red print,which is
worse than faded,I've come across faded that actually is quite
acceptable, with a hint of colour left.The red print has no colour
just red,and can be pulled round a bit with the correct colour filters.

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Tom Photiou
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I purchased this film over a year ago and originally it was advertised as the full marketing feature, mounted on 2 x 800ft spools, it was not the feature, part 4 or 5 was missing. Even on polyester film this feature would not fit onto two 800ft spools. Fortunatly it came from a reputable dealer who refunded us our money.
The original full feature was released by Derann in Scope on 7 x 400ft spools. Last year i purchased the full scope feature and it was suplied to me via steve at the Reel image in the us and came mounted on two nice full 1200ft spools with the added bonus of being re-recorded in stereo. A superb 8mm release with pin sharp image and excellent sound.
I have to say though that the marketing featurette we had did have very good picture and sound.

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Greg Marshall
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Austin.... keeping your prints in a cool, low-humid climate will help. Although I don't have the ability to do this, some keep their prints stored in a fridge. I'm unsure as to what temperature, though.

Tom.... sounds like that specific print was missing some footage. I've had 3 of the Marketing prints, and all three would mount on 2, 800' reels, so it can happen. I believe that early in the run, they were printing on thicker stock. Grease was released on 7 reels, theatrially, and I've heard of Marketing shipping on 7 reels, then went to the thinner stock and put the feature on 4 reels. 'Saturday Night Fever' was released by them on 7 reels, but I don't think they printed on thin stock... longer running time on that one too.

I also have Derann's scope version, and was released on the 7 academy reels, cue marks, and all, and since this is a thicker stock, will take 2, 1200' reels to mount for long play.

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quote:
Hello Winbert,you've forgotten the infamous Red print,
Hugh I rather say red print = faded. So it is no. 1

I may open a new thread about this to avoid more OOT.

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