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Michael O'Regan
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Has anyone got one of these? I've fancied the look of them since I was a kid. They don't seem to be all that common with collectors. Are there faults? Am I correct in saying that hey only have a 400ft capacity?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121157227755?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

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Maurice Leakey
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Michael
I've never had one of these which was Italian made by Silma, the Super 8 database says it has a spool capacity of 120 metres, 400' to us.
http://www.super8data.com/database/projectors_list/projectors_bell/bell_1735.htm
Mind you, the database is not always correct!
I'm always wary of "it belonged to my late father and I don't know anything about it".

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Michael O'Regan
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Thanks, Maurice. Yes, I'm a bit wary of that too.
So, what was the relationship between B&H and Silma?

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Maurice Leakey
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Michael
It's the first time that I was aware that Silma made badged Bell & Howells.
I am surprised about this, I have a Bell & Howell DCR and a DCT and they're both made by Sankyo.
It does seem a pity that some Super 8 sound projectors were limited to a 400' spool capacity.

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Michael O'Regan
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To be honest, I didn't even know those projectors you mention were made by Sankyo.
So, didn't B&H make their own machines?

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Joe Taffis
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I bought one brand new in 1975 because it was the only super 8 sound projector available in my area camera shop. It is a 400' capacity machine. I was never happy with it, and couldn't wait to save up for a better one....

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Michael O'Regan
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Joe,

Were there any specific problems with it or was it just the smaller capacity you weren't happy with?

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Joe Taffis
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Michael, It caused some scratches on some of my first super 8 sound films, even though I always tried to keep the film path clean between reels. I blamed it on the general design of the projector and accepted it as an unavoidable part of the hobby; who knows, maybe it was something I could have controlled or prevented. The 400' reel didn't bother me because that was the largest reel I used back then, but it was nice to later move on to a 600' capacity machine. Also, I remember having to have it sent out for repairs at least once while I had it....

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Michael O'Regan
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Thanks, Joe.

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Tom Photiou
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We had one of these projectors years ago, it was horrendous and put a green line through one of our 400 ft digests and we rapidly got shot of it.

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Michael O'Regan
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Thanks, Tom. I guess this is why they don't turn up too often.

Isn't it strange for a B&H to scratch films though? I always figured they were a class brand. I know this was actually made by Silma but it still went out under the B&H name.

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Josef Grassmann
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Hi Michael,
Bell & Howell 1735 has 120m capacity, only. I am pretty shure.
We still service them, as we have spares available.

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Joe Taffis
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On another note, the Bell & Howell Filmosonic 1237 XL super 8 sound camera was excellent. I shot literally thousands of feet of film over the years with satisfying results and zero problems [Smile]

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Tom Photiou
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we thought it quite a shame that the filmosonic did scratch as we also had a B&H cine camera and this was a great cine camera, i think B&H are top dogs in the 16mm world. I think every school,college and buisness in the land had a B&H 16mm

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Maurice Leakey
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Perhaps it's who actually made a specific item for Bell & Howell.
At one time I had a 1226XL Filmosonic Super 8 camera which produced superb results. I see from the Super 8 database that this model was made in Japan.

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Simon McConway
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I ended up purchasing this projector and must say I'm quite impressed with it. Good, bright illumination and a steady image. Accurate focusing is via a very positive and precise control. The only thing is that the sound has slight flutter on it. What do members suggest I could check out? The flywheel is free turning and I can't see anything stopping it. Any help appreciated, as ever!

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