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Lee Mannering
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posted March 15, 2007 02:10 PM

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Interesting to dig up this old post and worth updating as we never really know how long machine and makes will last. 2013.

2007 I mentioned I had a few Eumig 940 Stereo projectors at a recent film event which I was very pleased with the performance from these machines what with the powerful amplifier a top quality F1.2 lens, not to mention the 150 watt lamp. Before I knew it I was getting texts to my mobile along with a number of phone calls from folk wanting to buy or view one. In the end I opted to part with one which had been very little used and still sat in its big red box along with manual right down to a set of spare fuses.My reason for telling this story here is that the Eumig 940 seems to have reached cult status now and this as new example went for a very good price, although as I say it was as new in the box. One wonders if this top end Eumig will eclipse that well known manufacturer in time, but the way things went here this week the Eumig 940 is certainly very much wanted.
One of the great attributes of the machine is it is possibly the quietest super 8 stereo projector ever made I would say. Some day I will dig out the decibel meter and see how it rates to the GS and Sankyo machines we all know and love, now that would be interesting…

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Tom Photiou
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posted March 15, 2007 02:29 PM

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Lee, We had one of these which unfortunatly has been used to melting point. That said, they are lovely machines when in good nik and 100% working order, the sound is excellent and the as you say they are very quite machines. Its a pity Eumig loved plastic so much. Had they stayed around a few more more years i reckon they would have overcome the slowing down problem and would have made them much sturdier.
You did very well to get that price for it so i assume it was a minter [Wink]

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Lee Mannering
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posted March 15, 2007 02:54 PM

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Mint? You bet. The lad did very well in the end as I gave him another 938 just in case he needed some basic spares. Of all my personal collection of some 30 years the Eumig 940 is amongst my favourites. Used these in the biggest of halls and with the extra lamp cooling fan I think they are great and certainly very kind to my films. I have one very badly shrunken acetate feature and the 940 is the only one which can show a stable picture here with that particular film. I have had it on Elmo & Sankyo’s galore but only the 940 can deal with it. All good fun.

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posted March 16, 2007 03:26 AM

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Lee, I used to have a 940 and really appreciated all the features you mentioned except it is not the quietest I've come across: I think the quietest is the Bauer T 610 (to quote a machine that is almost equivalent, but the same applies to lower end models from this manufacturer), though less advanced in terms of circuitry etc.
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Lee Mannering
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posted March 16, 2007 05:10 AM

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Sonically it’s the back plastic case of the Eumig which covers the metal chassis that may make it the quietest of runners. The metal cases used on the GS1200 Elmo can only amplify acoustic rumble I would have thought, whereas plastic would absorb some of it. Expect this is why car interiors are plastic now and not just for the cost saving in manufacture.

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posted March 17, 2007 09:23 AM

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my bauer 502 duoplay is much quieter than my eumig 938.the bauer is also,in my oppinion,a much better machine,

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Graham Sinden
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posted March 17, 2007 11:05 AM

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Lee,

Forget about 35mm, Go for 70mm instead

But you may have to build an extension on your house [Big Grin]

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posted March 17, 2007 04:41 PM

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Hi David,
I do not have a Bauer, but if it beats a Eumig 938 it must be a fantastic machine. I have always thought that the 938 is a superb machine particularly for home or small hall use, certainly much quieter than the GS1200, which really comes into its own in a large room or hall. They are both great machines of course, but totally different in design and character. Personally I find the 938 fuss-free and very relaxing to use, it threads with uncanny certainty, you don't have to worry at all about scratching film, and it has the steadiest picture I have ever seen, and the best stereo sound I have ever heard. I think the fact that Lee sold his 940 (essentially the same as the 938) for 500 pounds shows that collectors are aware of the great performance of this machine and are willing to pay top dollar (or pound!) for it. It's just not quite as bright as the GS, which is the king of the hill on screen size capability.

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posted March 18, 2007 03:41 AM

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Have a good Sunday...

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posted March 18, 2007 05:42 AM

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quote:
The metal cases used on the GS1200 Elmo can only amplify acoustic rumble I would have thought, whereas plastic would absorb some of it

The rear case of the GS should have a thick strip of rubber glued inside to cut down any noise the machine produces. I have to disagree on this noise issue as a smooth running GS can sound very quiet indeed. I have seen a variety of machines over the years and would say that the GS is not really any noisier. The one thing that can make the GS sound more noise intrusive than other machines is from the fan not the general running noise. But then for the best light-output you need good cooling to go with it.

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posted March 18, 2007 05:55 AM

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The quietest super 8 projector I have ever heard was the Bauer machine that Rob sold from our BFCC table in October, I think Craig bought it?

I've never heard a Eumig 940 running so can't make a comparison but I would say that that Bauer would be hard to beat, there didn't seem to be any of the distinctive running noise coming from the gate area, just a smooth sort of whirring sound, it was certainly a lot quieter than my GS.

But then GS 1200s vary; again the quietest of those I have heard was the one that Chris owned; much quieter than mine. I guess that's all about the fact that we are dealing with machines here, and each one is different.

Fascinating [Roll Eyes]

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posted March 18, 2007 09:08 AM

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Not that this a Eumig vs. Bauer vs. Elmo thread, but I find that my Eumig 940 is just as quiet as either my Bauer T610 or T510. The difference for me is that the Bauer is made of sturdier stuff and it's much easier to get to the Bauer's film path for cleaning, though still not as easy as the GS-1200. Both brands have incredible audio playback.

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posted March 18, 2007 12:33 PM

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I would guess that most projectors (including the GS 1200) sound the quietest when properly lubricated and serviced.

Mike, yes some GS1200's sound quieter than others. Maybe it is to do with this.

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posted March 18, 2007 12:52 PM

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Have to be honest I couldn`t sell someone a 940 beyond about £150-£175 knowing the the soundhead wear situation as they do soon go down and other variables etc, good that it was barely used. Also they can be a bit tickey if you will.You can also get odd scratching too from time to time. The bauers are much better I think, the heads longer wearing, and quieter as mentioned here, the cams will go but if you lube your fims you`ll get 10 years out of a minter.
Pick up a stereo T60 even for £50-£80 if little used you will be well away,600 510 or 610 even better of course.
The actual value of my entire collection proj and films etc never gets to £500 as usually have to sell bits just to pay the bills etc in an on going fashion.
I hear GS 1200s are getting a bit lower now, around the £700 odd even from a dealer but I`ve always been to frightened to own one.
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posted March 18, 2007 01:30 PM

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I think we all have our favourite machines, and all have pros and cons. Im old enough to remember everyone singing the praises of the ST1200 many moons ago. These days not such a desirable machine it would seem with all the chat about rubber wheels failing and the dreaded shutter ring. Age is the main issue here me thinks, and even we are getting older...
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posted March 18, 2007 01:59 PM

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Hi I aggree Lee, the st1200`s can be a bit of a going on. RE projector sales I am just very cautious when selling machines as with the best will in the world anything can happen anytime with them.
I not so long ago bought a mint machine but after first joy shortly ended up with all sorts of probs showing themselves with use, its the nature of the beast with super 8`s so I always ask for less than I paid even if all seems well to be sure.
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posted March 19, 2007 08:26 AM

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Lee, The sound heads in the Elmos are very reliable indeed and certainly hard wearing for the normal user. Yes they will wear but you have to put a hell of a lot of film through them.

You say you have had plenty of fun with your GS1200's? If it's been the ability to get a good recording out of them then I can tell you that its 95% certain to be the Capacitor which controls the bias oscillators frequency. This deteriorates without even having the machine in the record mode.

The Eumigs are well renowned for head wear particularly on some of the later models. They seemed to use a softer material unlike Elmo who used the hard wearing Sendust Alloy Heads along with a lot of the other Jap manufacturers.

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posted March 19, 2007 11:41 AM

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See, I told you there was much interest now in Eumigs. Just look at all the mails on this thread.

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Rapture, brew time.
As I say we all have our favourites. Having just dug out my receipt for one of my 940’s I see it was approaching half the price of a GS1200 so I would expect the Elmo to be a far better machine in many respects. But the fact remains that at the price a Stereo projector featuring a f/1.2 lens, 15 volt 150 watt lighting, digital frame counter accurate to the frame also in minutes & seconds, Longitudinal & lateral levelling, 800ft spool capacity, 2X20 Watt music amplifier, 40~11.000 Hz frequency range at only 18fps, below 0.4% Wow & flutter, Sig to noise ratio of 50 dB, and a multitude of recording facilities including frame synchronised recording and a superb audio desk. What more could one ask for at the price?

I appreciate the Elmo and fans of other makes. At the end of the day its horses for courses. I’ve been to some great film events where our host has been using a Agfa Sonector and we have had a superb night. I think its fair to say there is much more to creating a welcoming atmosphere at a film show that what sort of special projector you use wouldn’t we all say.

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posted March 19, 2007 12:31 PM

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hi paul and everyone,

i suspect my 938 is not functioning at its best,it was purchased very cheaply off e bay and i have found the picture a bit unsteady and the threading hit and miss. it often chews up the leader. the sound is ,however very good.
my bauer just does its job,no fuss and the threading has never failed,not even once. and it just purrs! its the only machine i have that you can sit right next to and forget about and just concentrate totaly on the film.

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posted March 19, 2007 01:18 PM

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You see? Every machine is different [Wink]

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Lee Mannering
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posted March 19, 2007 01:39 PM

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Quite right our kid.
Off out now with the Sankyo Stereo 800 to give a show so better get a move on. Gone with the Wind takes a bit of time to get through so wish me luck. Does it never end?
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posted May 13, 2013 05:38 PM

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David, in my opinion is quite correct, I have owned Elmo St's , Eumig S938 (In A1 condition) as well as others, yet my pride and joy has to be the T610! The Bauer is by far.. the smoothest running and runs as quiet as a slide projector when maintained correctly. Used in conjunction with my Spondon long play arms with 1200ft reels mounted,it runs like a bespoke reel to reel tape machine. All you can hear is very quiet fan noise.In my opinion by far the best projector to ever use in the home environment.

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 14, 2013 06:29 AM

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I think I just about remember this thread.
6 years on and my remaining Stereo Eumig is still functioning perfectly pleased to report and all is well in the land of the Oimig. It's prob clocked up around 250 hours use since then and smooth as ever.

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posted May 14, 2013 06:54 AM

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Same here. My 938 still runs like new, and always threads and projects flawlessly. It projects the steadiest picture of any machine I have, including the GS1200'S, and has the best sound quality by far. I have two back-up 926's which share most of the same parts, so I should be able to handle anything that goes wrong, but so far it looks like the 938 is a super reliable machine - it just never has any problems at all.
I would love to find a way of getting the 200 watt Fuji ESC lamps into this projector.

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posted May 14, 2013 07:56 AM

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Paul if you can find a way to get a brighter bulb in there that would make me reconsider that machine again. I really liked it but it was too dim for Scope and even when using non scope films it seemed a bit dim. Its strange but the Bauer has the same bulb but the Bauer seemed brighter to me.

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