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David Hardy
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posted May 25, 2017 07:30 AM

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Another forgotten film find at bottom of a cardboard box.

DERANN FILM ...In original box / Polyester stock.

THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN /600'/ SCOPE / COLOUR/SOUND.

I think i have ever shown this twice since new.

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John Armer
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posted May 25, 2017 07:53 AM

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Is this because it's not a very good cut down David?

Not seen it myself and wondering whether to look out for a copy.

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David Hardy
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posted May 25, 2017 07:56 AM

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John it is a very good cutdown indeed and well worth hunting
down.

Its just that I have a bad habit of not watching some of my
films on a regular basis.

I forgot I even had this one. [Wink]

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John Armer
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posted May 25, 2017 08:06 AM

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Thanks David, good to know.

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Osi Osgood
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posted May 25, 2017 11:45 AM

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That's happened more often than not in my collection too, Dave ...

More often it's me looking at something and saying, "Hey, I thought I sold that years ago." [Smile]

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Jason Smith
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posted May 25, 2017 09:42 PM

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I would love to see some screenshots from this film. I`ve watched a few minutes of a friends copy but I was not impressed with this Derann release. Maybe there are better copies out there.

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Brian Fretwell
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posted May 26, 2017 02:53 AM

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I picked up part 2 of the earlier split 2x400ft release from Derann (on SP0 from Phil on Saturday, out of the £8 each 4 for £25 box. A bit orange but the part after the escape when they are on the run and captured. Not bad for the price.

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Mark Mander
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posted May 26, 2017 03:09 AM

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I have this 600 footer and it's quite a nice print, colours great on it, I also have the 2x400 but that's fading now, Mark

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David Hardy
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posted May 26, 2017 03:24 AM

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Jason i would happily post screenshots for this release.
However i cant as i don't know how to do it and my equipment
is still packed away.
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Osi... hahahaha ! I can well relate to that.

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Joe Taffis
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posted May 26, 2017 08:58 AM

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My scope print had a slightly bluish cast. I sold it long ago

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 26, 2017 09:19 AM

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Many do Joe and not only TMS.

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Osi Osgood
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posted May 26, 2017 12:19 PM

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There was an Italian full feature of this, not scope, flat, but I would have no idea as to whether the color has held up or even the overall quality of the print, (neg source ect.)

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Melvin England
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posted May 26, 2017 12:55 PM

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Can somebody confirm,please, if the 600' is a different edit to the 2x 400'?

(I did pass my maths exam and realize that 2x 400 = 800, not 600, but we are all aware of how much film often isn't found on a 400' spool).

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David Hardy
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posted May 26, 2017 01:27 PM

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Melvin as far as i am aware the 600' is the same edit as the
2 x 400' edition.

The 600' is on thinner polyester stock.

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Melvin England
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posted May 26, 2017 03:27 PM

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Thanks for that,David. It was worth checking.

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Rob Young.
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posted May 26, 2017 04:45 PM

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This was one of the first abridged super releases in the UK that featured mixing of 16mm full coat soundtracks for a super 8 release.

In other words, Derann released, together with a skillful editor, not only a 2 x 400ft version which was nicely edited picture wise, but also featured a cross fading and mixed soundtrack which, especially given the high profile musical score, gave a much smoother result.

Watch it again and listen to the soundtrack, then compare it to the DVD...

Beautiful soundtrack editing job back in the day...

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David Hardy
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posted May 27, 2017 03:34 AM

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Derann also printed 600' Scope editions of THE GREAT ESCAPE and
ITS A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD which were also first released
as 2 x 400' editions.

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Melvin England
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posted May 27, 2017 10:14 AM

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David - I assume the same rule applies to these too. Because the 600' is polyester, the edit is the same?

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Rob Young.
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posted May 27, 2017 10:45 AM

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The original Derann releases of these 2 x 400ft versions were available in the late 1970's and early 1980's.

Then video killed off super 8.

Of course, Derann persevered successfully with super 8 throughout the 80's and 90's and the 600ft versions were simply the original 2 x 400ft negatives joined together and re-printed (the originals would normally be about 360ft per spool) and, as has been pointed out, with thinner polyester stock, they made a tidy 600ft release.

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David Hardy
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posted May 29, 2017 09:54 AM

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There you go Melvin.

Rob has kindly answered your question there.
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