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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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FANTASIA 2000

USA, 1999
Running time: 75 min.
Derann Release

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- Ludwig van Beethoven's 'Symphony No. 5 in C minor-I. Allegro con brio' – abstract patterns resembling butterflies and bats explore a world of light and darkness which are conquered by light at last (directed by Pixote Hunt).

- Ottorino Respighi's 'Pines of Rome' – this segment features a family of frolicking humpback whales that are able to fly due to a supernova. At one point, the whale calf is separated from his parents when he's trapped in an iceberg, later finding his way out with his mother's help. The final section, the Via Appia gives the impression of the larger pod of adults in migration (directed by Hendel Butoy).

- George Gershwin's 'Rhapsody in Blue' – an episode of 1930s-era New York City, depicting the day in the lives of several people within the Depression-era bustling metropolis, as scenes drawn in the style of Al Hirschfeld's famous cartoons of the era, including an animated cameo of Gershwin the composer himself at the piano. The little girl in the hotel is based on the Eloise character created by Kay Thompson and the red-haired man is based on John Culhane, the author for the "making of" books for both Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 (directed by Eric Goldberg).

- Dmitri Shostakovich's 'Piano Concerto No. 2 in F Major-I. Allegro' – based on Hans Christian Andersen's The Steadfast Tin Soldier. The setting is appropriate - the concerto was written as a gift by Shostakovich to his musically gifted young son, and the percussive rhythms also suit a story about a soldier. However, the ending is a happy one in contrast with that of the original story (directed by Hendel Butoy).

- Camille Saint-Saëns's 'The Carnival of the Animals, Finale' – A flock of flamingos try to force a slapstick member who enjoys playing with a yo-yo to engage in their "dull" routines, designed to delight children with the on-screen hysterics; music arranged by Peter Schickele. A number of real yo-yo tricks, including "Walk the Dog", "Rock the Cradle", and "UFO", are featured (directed by Eric Goldberg).

- Paul Dukas's 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' – a segment from the original Fantasia featuring Mickey Mouse. Mickey brings a broom to life with the magical hat left by his master to carry water to a cauldron, but is in danger when he can't stop the broom (directed by James Algar).

- Edward Elgar's 'Pomp and Circumstance - Marches 1, 2, 3 and 4' – is a pastiche of the story of Noah's Ark, with Donald Duck as first mate to Noah. Donald musters the animals to the Ark, and misses, loses, and is reunited with Daisy Duck in the process; music arranged by Peter Schickele, including a wordless soprano solo by Kathleen Battle as part of the No. 1 March ('Land of Hope and Glory'). Directed by Francis Glebas.

- Igor Stravinsky's 'Firebird Suite' - 1919 Version – the story of a spring Sprite and her companion Elk. After a long winter she restores the life to the forest but accidentally awakes the fiery spirit of destruction (the namesake Firebird of the piece) in a nearby volcano. The Firebird proceeds in destroying the forest and seemingly the sprite. She is restored to life however after the destruction and the forest life is reborn with her after some encouraging from the Elk. The story is considered an exercise in the theme of life-death-rebirth deities. The animation is based on the May 18th, 1980 eruption of Mt. St. Helens. The final tableau is a near analogue of the view of the volcano's crater from "Windy Ridge" (directed by Gaëtan and Paul Brizzi).

The plan for the original Fantasia movie was for it to be a kind of permanently running show, periodically adding new episodes while others would be rotated out. However, the film's failure to achieve success at the box office, combined with the loss of the European market due to World War II, meant that the plan went unused. Accordingly, Fantasia 2000 implemented this idea by retaining the sequence with Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer's Apprentice, arguably the most popular segment from the original film.

Composer André Previn reports in his book No Minor Chords that he was approached by Disney to work on as a sequel to Fantasia. He declined the project when he learned that the soundtrack was, at that point, conceived of as an orchestration of Beatles songs.

Development for Fantasia 2000 began in 1990, and production began the following year. The music selections were made as a collective decision by Roy E. Disney, James Levine, and members of the production staff. Most were decisions driven by the musical preferences of the team; Roy personally chose the Pines of Rome. Other pieces were discovered long after the story ideas were set, such as the Steadfast Tin Soldier, where the visuals were based on artwork done for the original Fantasia, but the Shostakovich piece was presented to the team by an animator relatively late into the production schedule.

Fantasia 2000 was originally scheduled for a release in the mid 1990s with the name Fantasia Continued; it was later renamed Fantasia 1999 until the release date was moved into 2000. In order to tie Fantasia 2000 to the original idea of a rotating program, three sections from the original Fantasia were intended to remain in Fantasia 2000. However, only 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' made it into the final release. The late addition of 'Rhapsody in Blue' replaced 'Dance of the Hours' a year before release, and the 'Nutcracker Suite' was a part of Fantasia 2000 until a few months before it reached theaters. After several test screenings and after much of the publicity material had already been produced, the 'Nutcracker Suite' was removed to shorten the running time of the movie.

'Rhapsody in Blue' was a work already in progress by director Eric Goldberg (lead animator for the Genie in Aladdin, also inspired by Al Hirschfeld's art), when Disney approached him to complete the piece for the movie. This decision was ideal given the head start on the work and so that the film could include a work from an American composer. Taking on 'Rhapsody in Blue' also allowed Disney to keep the animators assigned to their feature Kingdom of the Sun (later released as The Emperor's New Groove) busy while Kingdom went through an extensive rewrite. Some press articles written after the completion of Groove reversed the roles, saying that Goldberg first approached Disney for Rhapsody for Fantasia 2000 and was initially rejected, and later the producers came back to him as a result of the need find something to do with the animation staff while the Kingdom rewrite was going on.

One significant difference in the musical styles between the films is that in Fantasia 2000 the piano features prominently in more than half of the selections, while the original Fantasia did not have a piano in any segment.

Fantasia 2000 features many technical innovations that would later be utilized in the Disney studio's other animation works, particularly in the use of computers. Both 'Pines of Rome' and 'The Steadfast Tin Soldier' were primarily CGI pieces, completed before Pixar's landmark film Toy Story was released. The horns on the elk in The Firebird were CGI-rendered on top of hand-drawn animation (giving them a higher consistency, when compared to 'Bambi' which was all drawn by hand), a technique that would be used in 'Treasure Planet' for the character Silver.

The producers felt that some break between the musical segments was necessary to "cleanse the palate", so a series of "interstitials" were directed by Disney animation producer Don Hahn. Instead of using a single narrator as in Fantasia, the individual pieces are introduced by people from different areas of the art world. After the film opens with Beethoven's Fifth, Steve Martin discusses the history of Fantasia being a continuing concept and is immediately followed by Itzhak Perlman, who introduces 'Pines of Rome'. Quincy Jones leads into the Gershwin number, and Bette Midler gives an introduction to the Shostakovich concerto, both featuring on screen the piano players for the respective pieces. James Earl Jones introduces 'Carnival of the Animals' with director Eric Goldberg, and, appropriately enough, magicians Penn and Teller make an appearance before 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice'. When this piece concludes with Mickey Mouse's conversation with conductor Leopold Stokowski from the original Fantasia, Mickey then moves on to chat with Levine before the latter introduces 'Pomp and Circumstance'. The final sequence of The Firebird is introduced by Angela Lansbury.
(from Wikipedia)

The 8mm Derann release is supplied on 4*600ft spools. It is the complete letterboxed theatrical edition with STEREO sound.
A little bluish, but very good color and definitely a stunning print. A 'must' for all of Disneys collectors.

Unfortunately, this was the last full Disney animated feature released by Derann, but thanks God it is still available. Separate segments are available too.

Some shots from my print were already posted on the WHAT FILM DID YOU SHOW LAST NIGHT section. More will be soon posted here.

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More shots from FANTASIA 2000 by Derann.

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Gian,

What a great review! This is one of my favorite titles in my collection and even though the print (as you said) is on the blue side, it is still an extraordinary release.

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Doug, thanks a lot. And, once more, I totally agree. This movie is really a must.
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Fantasia 2000 TRAILER

The trailer is simply fantastic (and the super 8 print too!). [Big Grin]

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Gian, good review and great print. I have the Gershwin segment. Wish I could find the Saint Saens extract. I don't really care for the others.

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Grazie Jean! Hope you will! [Big Grin]

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Gian, just curious. Is the "Scorceror's Apprentice" segment in letterbox like the rest of the feature, or is it in the original full frame (flat) of it's original prrsentation?

I have the classic Era Disney 200ft 9 minute segment, which I just add to the rest of the Fantasia 2000 feature, as the copy that I bought didn't have MIckey's segment.

I note that in your screen captures, that your print has that bluish cast as well. While it is passable, I think it works better when it is a live action film. Color is so important when it comes an animated film.

Still, I was so surprised when this ended up being released on Super 8 by Derann. After all, it is a year 2000 movie. I wonder if this was perhaps among the last Disney/Derann official releases?

UPDATE! I read the last part of the review. Yes, it was the last Disney Derann feature release.

There was only one thing I didn't like about this fantasia 2000.
The original did only have one person who introdued each segment and I felt that this worked quite well. I think it was a mistake to have assorted different people introduce the film.
. I'm sure that they could have come up with someone who would have been perfect to introduce all the segments.

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Osi, sorry I never replied your question about THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICE/FANTASIA 2000.
I'm reading this just tonight.

You had asked:
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Gian, just curious. Is the "Scorceror's Apprentice" segment in letterbox like the rest of the feature, or is it in the original full frame (flat) of it's original prrsentation?

Our friend Fabrizio had stated the following in another thread I quote here:

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...the same ratio was also in 35mm prints and is the original one from Fantasia.
Putting to 1,85 format would have ment cutting some pieces of image or inserting some new pieces

Hope this will help.
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I hope one day it is in my collection [Wink]

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Hope the same for you, Jeroen.
It would be a great purchase.
Take care. Ciao.

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Finally,i won this one,i hope it's a great print. [Big Grin]
I want to know more about the print and the sound,please people tell me.
How many prints are there from Fantasia 2000 and is it hard to get,i think i'am lucky. [Smile]

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Hi Jeroen,

You may be the lucky one, ... how much did you pay for it?

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I believe the last bid was $179.

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Exactly 179,50 it's 145,00 Euro,did you bid too [Smile] it was on my wishlist for a long time,so lucky me [Big Grin]
Any comments about this feature,my favorite scene is the last one Firebird!
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I'd say the main thing is be prepared for the blue tint - it was too much for me to hang on to my print, but it's a subjective matter and clearly Gian was happy with his. I know that Derann tried to minimise it, but for some reason the colour was so far out on the negative that it was beyond the capabilities of the lab to completely correct it.

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Hi Adrian. Thanks for stating that.
I was told once some copies have excellent color. But I'm sure all prints are on the blue side.
Mine too has that blue cast to the color. I'm in love with it. So, considering I'm sure BETTER COPIES WITH EXCELLENT COLOR WERE NEVER RELEASED, I'm happy with it.

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Yes I bid but considered the blue color cast when I put in my bid. Obviously, I was outbid. I do have a good color Sorcerer's Apprentice on 16mm anyway.

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I think it's always easier to live with something like a blue tint, if - as Gian says - you know that there are NO copies with perfect colour out there!

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I'am glad that i've won it,soon i'll put the youtube link here ok? [Wink]

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Having just shown a worn but enjoyable copy of this I got early this year from The Reel Image with DVD sound, I have some information here that might be useful to anyone needing technical details on Fantasia 2000. I had to carefully account for the timings and lengths of each of the original reels (even though my copy came all spliced together on an extend-a-reel) to make that audio work.

The Fantasia 2000 print is absolutely complete at 74 1/2 minutes and came on 4 reels, not 3, which appear to correspond precisely to the reel configuration of the 35mm theatrical release prints. Reel 2 is unusually long for a single reel, but due to the thinner polyester stock would've still fit comfortably on a 15" theater reel or a 7" Super 8 reel. Still, this Super 8 print apparently came from Derann on 8" 600' reels anyway.

This is a "masked" flat print, which is to say, "letterboxed." The masking is decently steady and perfectly consistent from reel to reel, so it's quite reasonable to shorten the height of your screen or use a wider screen and "zoom out" to fill the width. "Sorcerer's Apprentice" is printed relative to that masking, so none of the original image is cut off. However, on this Super 8 print, by combining the widescreen mask with the narrower image, you end up with black on all 4 sides of the picture in this segment, making this print of "Apprentice" a bad choice for a standalone cutout. You'd be better off with the Super 8 prints made from the 1940 original printed full frame if you need that segment by itself.

The image quality on this print is wonderfully sharp, and other than the aforementioned blueishness, most noticable on the host segments with questionable skin tones, has lovely color.

While the sound on my print is booming loud and true stereo, the timing between the two channels is quite inaccurate and varies from reel to reel, making surround playback from the projector "unstable." Most noticably, the speaking of the hosts tended to come from the rear speakers instead of the center. At first I thought one channel was out of phase with the other, but after recording the track into the computer, I could see that one channel would be ahead of the other by a good many milliseconds. So unfortunately the sound recording could be better.

For the musical purists in the crowd, please note that all of these pieces, excepting "Sorcerer's Apprentice," were musically abridged and/or edited by the Disney gurus.

Here is a rundown of the contents of each reel.
REEL ONE (15:48)
--intro montage (homage to the 1940 Fantasia)
--Beethoven Symphony 5 (1st movement)
--hosts Steve Martin and Itzak Perlman
--Respighi "Pines of Rome" (whales)
REEL TWO (22:15)
--host Quincy Jones (& jazz pianist)
--Gershwin "Rhapsody in Blue" (set in New York City)
--hostess Bette Midler
--Shostakovich Piano Concerto #2 (soldier & ballerina)
REEL THREE (21:03)
--host James Earl Jones (& animator)
--Saint-Saens "Carnival of the Animals"
--hosts Penn & Teller
--Dukas' "Sorcerer's Apprentice" (Mickey Mouse, 1940)
--James Levine, conductor (and Mickey and Donald chasing around the room in surround sound)
--Elgar "Pomp and Circumstance" marches (Donald and the Ark)
REEL FOUR (15:24)
--hostess Angela Lansbury
--Stravinsky "The Firebird" suite (1919)
--end credits for a whopping 5 1/2 minutes!!!

Also, the trailer for Fantasia 2000 was also printed up and has even better color than the feature (don't you hate it when that happens) and similar excellent sharpness. It has a tiny bit of masking - I'm guessing for a 1.66 ratio - and is the Imax presentation trailer for the 1.1.2000 release.

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What a coincidence! This afternoon I received my print of Fantasia 2000 and we just finished watching it. Perhaps that's because this is animation, the bluish tint didn't hurt us.

The stereo sound on my print is fantastic!

Bill, my print on stock marked "A G 2 S". Can you check if yours is the same? I suspect it is LPP.

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Akshay, if the code says AG 2 S then it is AGFA. We cannot say LPP because it is a trade mark of Kodak. The generic term for it is "Low Fade".

Btw, I can see the bluish tint discussed above from your screen shots. I think that is way toooo much for me.

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Hi Akshay, yes mine is also Agfa, and the stereo sound on mine has a hugeness that's hard to beat; however, the difference compared to the DVD audio track is pretty obvious. Your print looks gorgeous, congratulations. However, the "Rhapsody in Blue" shots have a greenish cast to them that differs from what I saw - but could that be the camera?

Winbert, if that looks too blue for you, tis true, for you it will not be a pleasing hue.

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Blue Hue!
Blue Hue!
Blue Hue!
Boo Hoo!

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