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Patrick Walsh
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The other night I had the pleasure of visiting fellow forum member Graham Ritchie's home cinema where I was given a demo of a GS 1200 that he is interested in selling me, however after I saw some super 8 WINNIE THE POOH on the GS1200 that look very good, I was given a demo on his Panasonic video projector (I cant remember the model number) I saw scenes from ZULU, ALIENS, TITANIC (97 version), THE NEVERENDING STORY and RAISE THE TITANIC and I must say I was very impressed with the picture quality and I am amazed at the progress that the video projectors have come over the last few years, the sound as well was very good! film will always be the king of the cinema but I have to say one of those video projectors is now on my want list! and it blew the pants off my super 8 films for picture quality ( heck I hope I dont get kicked off the forum!!!)
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John Clancy
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Now a gathering of 8mm collectors in New Zealand must be a pretty rare occurence. Any pictures?

Don't get too carried away with video projection. As good as it is it ain't film and the novelty soon wears off. When it comes to picture quality I still prefer the look of [good] Super 8 prints to the best home video projection. Try an HTI conversion in your GS and you'll find Super 8 gives an even better image to the human eye (brightness is one thing that fools the eye and why video projection can appear better than it is).

Now how about those pictures of the New Zealand film convention???

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Patrick Walsh
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Hi John
I would load up some pictures but my computer and internet connection is so bad every time I try it never works, There are alot of home cinemas around here, I have a collection and no cinema as of yet, I run 35mm, 16mm and super 8.
There is our local film convention comming up in November here and runs over a weekend.
video will never take over my film screenings but will be another addition to the projection booth [Wink]
Now I have been told that I would need a 1:1 lens for the GS1200, what are the chances of getting one of those????
Pat

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Keith Ashfield
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I have recently "ventured" into the "digital" projection world. My new projector is the Optoma DV11 which is a DVD player with projection. The picture and sound quality from the "onboard" speakers is excellent. Again my first love is "Reely Film", but having a rather large DVD collection that was, basically, being overlooked, it has bought these back "into play", so to speak. At a cost of around £400.00, this unit is "affordable". The unit fills my 8ft screen with more than adequate picture quality for DVD projection.

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Patrick Walsh
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I have alot of DVDs that as well have been overlooked, and I can't enjoy them on my 21" TV, so I am planning to view all of these once I get a video projector. I work as a projectionist and I think that is suitable for home use only (at this stage anyway [Wink] ) 35mm is still very good and sharp as long as you have a good projector and sound system and screen, recently I saw THE WATERHORSE here at work and I was very impressed with the picture quality and no video projector I have seen is even close to matching it on the big screen.
Here you can buy a new video projector for around about $2000NZ and a good home cinema sound system for about $300NZ.
Patrick [Smile]

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Paul Adsett
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I agree with John here. DVD projection is great, no way I would wan't to be without it, and you get to see tons of films that have never made it to super 8. But there is no doubt that super 8 can also look stunning, with the right projector and a great print. And, as we all know, the special magic of mechanical projection and reel films, is just totally absent from DVD. Film projection is just a much more intensive and absorbing activity.
Enjoy both!

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Graham Ritchie
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John, even during the 70s and 80s Super8 was never big out here, for most people it was to expensive, so when the VCR revolution came along it killed what was of it, dead. A gathering of 8mm would be nice but it would be a very small one, we do have a weekend convention coming here up in November anyone want to come. I think they have been running now for over 20 years and held every 6 months in different parts of the country, Auckland, Wellington, etc and are organized by the local members, there are regulars that come from as far as Melbourne Australia, and most of the costs are covered in the registration form and programme that is posted prior to the event everyone is well looked after, so how about it a summer holiday in NZ [Cool] and bring along that HTI projector [Smile]

Graham. [Smile]

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David Baron
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Sorry to interrupt the flow of the conversation, but I'm trying to get a message to Paul Adsett and I don't know how else to do so.

I'm a journalist with National Public Radio, and I'm hoping to talk to him about a letter he had published in the Orlando Sentinel in 2006. I am producing a story about the conflict between trees and billboards. The story is part of a series called Shifting Ground.

Paul, if you read this, would you mind e-mailing me through this forum or through my Web site? www.shifting-ground.com

Thank you!

David Baron

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Paul Adsett
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I have responded to Mr. Baron's request, so if any one wants to continue on with the existing thread feel free to do so.
To David I would say welcome to the 8mm forum, even if you came here for another purpose. We are a group of Worldwide film collectors who collect and show 'reel' films on 8mm, 9.5mm,16mm, and even 35mm film, We are the true cinema buffs who love opto-mechanical film projection. You might want to browse around a bit, and maybe you will find another topic worthy of featuring on NPR. [Smile]
Here is a good starting point:
http://www.bfcc.biz/

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Patrick Walsh
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Just to continue
I have a joy of viewing Graham's new Panasconic projector, and I was blown away by the picture quality, and for home use you would not need anything else! (in the way of video projectors that is!)I saw some of MR BEAN"S HOLIDAY, THE SEARCHERS and SINK THE BISMARCK and all looked great! I can't remember the model of Graham's projector maybe he could reply?? [Smile]
Now with regards to a GS1200 what is the chances of being able to buy a 1:1 lens for it????
Pat [Smile]

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John Clancy
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GS1200's came with 1.1 lenses as standard. The one you really want is the 1.0 lens which is quite a bit rarer. Although some collectors appear to have trouble with focus on the 1.0 lens - not a problem I've personally ever had I hasten to add.

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Patrick Walsh
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Hi John
The machine I am looking at to buy has the standard zoom lens on it. Yes I have been told that the 1:1 lens was standard on these machines, I believe those lenses can give a better focus than the standard zoom lenses??
Patrick [Smile]

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John Clancy
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The 1.1 is a zoom lens and is that standard lens we're discussing. However, I don't believe it gives a better focus than the 1.0. In fact, I'd say the 1.0 is superior in every way. I never use a 1.1 lens in any of my GS's. Having said that I think the Schneider 1.1 lens is superior to the Elmo 1.1 but not the Elmo 1.0 but it is very close... probably too close to call really.

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Graham Ritchie
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The GS1200 Pat is looking at is one of my spare projectors the problem was years ago I sold a ST1200 and at that time I was using the 1.1 on the ST1200 the thing was I forgot to put the original 1.3 back [Eek!] and as a result the chap that bought the ST1200 got a real bargain hence the missing 1.1 on the GS1200, apart from that it runs really well with no problems at all, so he might be the proud owner of it tomorrow night. [Wink]

I have been using the Panasonic PT-AX200E for a few weeks now and very pleased with the results. Its amazing how the price has dropped on video projectors, you can now obtain a high quality picture for a fraction of the cost of projectors that were around only a few years ago, later this year I will be connecting it up to Blu-ray. Two weeks ago we had the grandkids round for a birthday party we watched A Grand Day Out and Mickey Mouse The First 50 years on Super8, Mickey has lost none of his appeal, and thinking about it [Roll Eyes] it will soon be his 80th [Eek!] doesn't time fly.

Graham. [Smile]

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Kevin Faulkner
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Coblers Mr Clancy! [Big Grin] The Schneider Xenovaron 1.1 knocks spots off both the Elmo lenses. It's really crisp and gives a far more Neutral image on screen than the yellower looking Elmos. But then you know I would say this didnt you [Big Grin]

Kev.

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Patrick Walsh
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The Schneider Xenovaron 1.1 sounds like the lens to have! [Smile]
and one of these! a Panasonic PT-AX200E projector!
[Big Grin]

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John Clancy
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Cobblers - what a great word! Well, it gave me a laugh anyway.

I believe the Hitachi equivalent of the Panasonic is actually cheaper than the Panasonic and although the image quality is too close to call between the two the Hitachi is a better looking machine. Whatever, it's certainly worth taking a look at both before taking the plunge. After all, you have to live with these things for years.

Funnily enough I ran Mickey Mouse The First 50 Years for gathering of kiddies the other day. They came back for another show yesterday and the opted show was Phantom Menace on 35mm despite having just about all the latest modern tosh available to video project. Film is an event, video is just watching the box on a bigger scale.

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David Park
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"I believe the Hitachi equivalent of the Panasonic is actually cheaper than the Panasonic"

Does it have the same long zoom lens as the Panasonic, to enable it to be in the projection box rather than half way down the home cinema as many?

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Alan Rik
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John...did you and your other half have kiddies? [Smile]
I know its been a long time since I was in the UK...

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John Clancy
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Kiddies?!? No point having them as I never grew up myself!!! I wouldn't want any little beggars messing with my toys from Elmo and the like!

Don't know if there's a long throw lens available for the Hitachi. Mine sits 14ft from the screen in the projection box though so the standard lens is probably fine for most applications anyway. I looked at that and the Panasonic side by side and on the basis of that demonstration considered that the Hitachi gave marginally better picture quality. But I bet if I looked at them side by side in the home I'd find one is better for some discs and the other better for other discs.

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David Park
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Can you give the model number (s) please,

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John Clancy
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PJ-TX200

But that model came out two years ago now. They've probably moved on to an updated version. Although Richer Sounds were still selling the TX200 six months or so back for as little as £800.

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David Park
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he 300 I see replaces the 200, http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h1082.htm

Think this could be the popular Panasonic http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pl/98-1008321/Projectors/Panasonic-PT-AX200-Compare-Prices

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Graham Ritchie
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A couple of photos the first is the original projector a Sanyo PLC-250P bought back in 1998 second hand ex-rental still use it as its not worth selling, still runs fine fitted a new lamp 4 years ago. The projector was new in 1996, next to it is the Panasonic a lot has changed since 1998, including the price. I still have a Sanyo PLV-Z1 again there is no value in old video projectors better to keep using them until they pack up.
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a now you see it...now you dont...fitted on the front of the lens on the Panasonic. I cue the DVD on a small TV handy when running both film and video it makes a smooth change over, at the right moment just pull the cord.
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and the last photo shows how high tech the change over system is
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fishing line and weight.

Graham. [Smile]

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Hi, new member here putting in a word for the Panasonic AE2000 which is full HD. This is triple LCD and a 165w lamp. This is very film-like with great colours and definition. It suffers only slightly from the lack of deep blacks typical of LCD but has a 'dynamic iris' that varies light on dark scenes.

This website: http://www.projectorreviews.com/ really sold me on it. The guy knows what he is talking about.

The same week I bought 'THE BLUE ANGEL' on 16mm so not giving up on film, though!

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