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Vijay Vaidyanathan
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- posted November 11, 2010 06:36 PM      Profile for Vijay Vaidyanathan   Email Vijay Vaidyanathan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi All ...

I'm a relative newbie to this, but fell in love with the flicker as a kid in the sixties in India where we had no TV :-)

I've noticed several of you seem to project 35mm at home. What projector do you use? Most of the ones I've seen on eBay are way too large for table-top use, and have unacceptably low SAF (spouse acceptance factor).

Thanks!

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John Clancy
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- posted November 12, 2010 01:22 PM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mine is a Ging Gang Shan Chinese portable machine. They still manufacture them but I believe the badge on them now is Spectra. It really is a portable but probably a little too big for table top use. You'll find images if you look at the past events pages of www.bfcc.biz.

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Claus Harding
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- posted November 12, 2010 02:49 PM      Profile for Claus Harding   Email Claus Harding   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I saw this one recently (and was tempted but came to my senses [Wink] )
The Microcine 35mm from Italy:

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Claus.

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Steve Klare
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- posted November 12, 2010 03:00 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The problem I run into with things like this is since it's so well proportioned my 8mm-adjusted brain can't grasp the size and weight this thing must have!

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted November 12, 2010 05:06 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There appear to be quite a few portable units available. I reckon the main problem with 35 collecting could be storing the prints.

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Claus Harding
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- posted November 12, 2010 08:15 PM      Profile for Claus Harding   Email Claus Harding   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Guys,

I think that is exactly the problem: I love the 'compactness' so much I conveniently forget the notion of 8-10 35mm reels in my small apartment, and that would be one film....the ultimate 'drug deal' [Big Grin]
We are sick. I don't believe I am alone in saying that.

Claus.

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Steve Klare
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- posted November 12, 2010 08:57 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd like to borrow a 35mm projector and about 10 reels just to take it out of the carton and show my wife the "next phase"!

-after that I could "negotiate" down to basically anything I want in 8mm!

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted November 13, 2010 02:07 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
I'd like to borrow a 35mm projector and about 10 reels just to take it out of the carton and show my wife the "next phase"!

-after that I could "negotiate" down to basically anything I want in 8mm!

Excellent [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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- posted November 13, 2010 04:39 AM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I run a Kinoton F P 23 head with a Cinemeccanica xenon lamp house.

The Microcine in Claus's picture weighs roughly 40+ Kilograms , add to this 10 extra Ks for the film transport (the motorized T shaped device behind the spools) and 15 more for 6000ft of film. That's 145 pounds. And there's 1.3 m (52 inch) from the rear of the take-up to the front of the pay-out.

One of these 2000m/6000ft spool will hold about one hour of film.

I'm not sure this is a recent model (they look the same) but older machines might not be equipped with a rectifier (to power lamp ignition) and sound amp and speaker. Meaning more heavy stuff to handle.

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Graham Ritchie
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- posted November 13, 2010 01:30 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have yet to come across a portable 35mm, they seem quite rare out here but if you can get one make sure its fitted with a red LED for cyan soundtracks.

Myself I was given an old 1920s Ernemann2 projector and got it back up and running and it runs really well. The engineering that went into those projectors is amazing, made in Dresden Germany and this particular projector was still in regular use up to around the 90s. Its "very heavy" but its a real joy to run an 80+ year old projector. I hope to soon run films from 6000ft reels through it from an external source without changing or to alter the projector in any way.
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note the earmuffs [Smile] I was doing some adjustments at the time the photo was taken
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I modified it to take a reverse scanning red LED, the lamp I use is a 24volt 300watt and is mounted in front of the mirror on the old carbon arc mounts and is fine for home use.

Graham.

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Patrick Walsh
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- posted November 13, 2010 03:05 PM      Profile for Patrick Walsh   Email Patrick Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here is some pics of a Jin Gang Shang portable 35mm projector
nice, well built units and are still made today.
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Steve Klare
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- posted November 22, 2010 11:17 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kodak...Carousel!!!

(Sorry!)

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Roy Neil
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- posted November 22, 2010 06:24 PM      Profile for Roy Neil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I own a Simplex E7 ( I inherited from Kit Parker ) I run that primarily, however now that I am moving ...

I also own a DP-75 but have not set that up although it is running.

Lastly I have a Devry that has been converted to xenon and also to run 6k reels.

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Patrick Walsh
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- posted November 22, 2010 11:23 PM      Profile for Patrick Walsh   Email Patrick Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I used to have an ERNEMANN II like Graham's above, they run very well and despite their vintage still produce a great picture and sound, they are so old that they where silent with the soundhead added at a later date, they where also front shutters but most where converted to a drum shutter to aid the cooling of the gate from the high intensity arcs and also make the machines easy to hang cinemascope lenses from, one of the first projectors also to have the option of water or air cooled installed.

the Chinese JGS portable projectors are sold from this place
http://www.81afpm.com/eindex.html

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Fabrizio Mosca
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- posted November 23, 2010 03:06 PM      Profile for Fabrizio Mosca   Email Fabrizio Mosca   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's mine.

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=001596#000000

It's a really customer developed projector and now has been upgraded with laser for cyan soundtrack. I still have to change the lamp to 36V 400W, but even now works fine for me.
Amplifier is a separate unit and the all equipment has recevied a very high SAF (for that kind of machine...) [Big Grin]

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Fabrizio, it's a very nice looking machine.

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Fabrizio Mosca
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- posted November 24, 2010 03:54 PM      Profile for Fabrizio Mosca   Email Fabrizio Mosca   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks, J-M!

Unfortunately it's a little noisy respect to other portable projectors, but anyway it's what I can keep in my house without big problems.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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- posted November 30, 2010 07:25 PM      Profile for Mitchell Dvoskin   Email Mitchell Dvoskin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For many years, and occasionally still, I used a Marin MP-30. They were made in Spain back in the 1970's and 80's, and if in good condition put out a great presentation and are very gentle on film.

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I now primarily use a Kinoton FP-23X, which in theory is a portable, as it disassembles into 3 semi-easily movable sections. The reality is that the base, which contains the independently powered takeup and the rectifier for the xenon lamphouse is far too heavy to move.

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Claus Harding
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- posted December 01, 2010 04:35 AM      Profile for Claus Harding   Email Claus Harding   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mitchell,

The Marin is very interesting-looking and it certainly manages a nice small footprint. It takes 6000-ft reels or is the picture fooling me? What kind of lamp does it have?

As for the Kinoton...hey, once in place, just enjoy [Smile]

Claus.

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Fabrizio Mosca
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- posted December 04, 2010 12:49 AM      Profile for Fabrizio Mosca   Email Fabrizio Mosca   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The Marvin was sold in Italy under the brand Fumeo, they also sold a wheeled base with take-up motor, but I don't know if the base was made by Fumeo or by Marvin.

Klaus, you're right, they take 6000ft reels.

Mitchell, was it a well balanced projector in that configuration? Was it instable with the takeup 6000ft reel full of film?

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Patrick Walsh
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- posted December 07, 2010 02:24 PM      Profile for Patrick Walsh   Email Patrick Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
just brought a brand new pair of 35mm portables! [Big Grin] eagerly awaiting their arrival! my xmas prezzie for this year

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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- posted January 03, 2011 08:27 AM      Profile for Mitchell Dvoskin   Email Mitchell Dvoskin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The Marin MP-30's do indeed run 6000' reels, up to 24" in diameter. They are very stable, the weight of the take-up reel being counterbalanced by the weight of the motor in the rear bottom of the projector. There are a number of bulbs that will work with it, I use DFT bulbs. Any pre-hologen bulb that will fit in a Kodak Pagent 16mm projector will work in the MP-30. In addition, most of the USA imported models were designed so that you could remove the lamp/condenser lens/reflector and a plate on the back so that you could use a Kneisley Pup (500 watt) Xenon external lamp house. I did this for many years.

Sorry it took so long for me to reply.

The MP-30 with it's internal lamp removed and an external 500 watt Xenon:

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