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Thor Andre Karlsen
Film Handler

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From: Fredrikstad, Norway
Registered: Apr 2012

posted April 16, 2013 08:40 PM

Hello!

I have just saved a Ernemann VIII B machine, and I kinda found out that its quite large... 250kg and 1.9m high.

Anyone know how to open the lens housing? I'm going to install the cinemascope lens, and cant find out how to open it [Confused]

Here is a comparison shot of my Bolex SM80, Eiki RT-2 and Zeiss Ikon Ernemann VIII B

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Patrick Walsh
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From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted April 16, 2013 11:49 PM

nice to see a Ernemann!
From memory the lens holder opens via a leaver on the front side of the projector, the lens holder should movie forward for threading then push back for screening.
I would check out the manual section on Film-tech.

Pat

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Lee Mannering
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posted April 17, 2013 04:00 AM

Welcome to the club Thor and just what you need next to your bed on a cold winters night.

Here is a snap of my own setup with the good old Elmo Xenonphobia next to the 35mm Kinoton with Cinemascope lens in place ready for the show. The twin lens turrets will rotate and also change gate masks automatically during the show which means you can screen formats on a single reel if needs be. We are also looking to put in 70mm in the future at some point. Note the gleaming lens on the Elmo which recently had a strip down clean.
Happy days.

Any more projection box pictures folks?

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted April 17, 2013 05:17 AM

Lee, what lamphouse do you use on this fine FP20 ?
I have equiped my FP50 with a small Cinemeccanica 500W xenon lamphouse (seen below inside my booth). My 35 machine is on a sliding platform, which can be pushed away in order to make room for either the 16 or super 8 projector.

Nice acquisition, Thor. The Ernemann VIII is a real tank. Less delicate than the 12 or 15 models.

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Lee Mannering
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posted April 17, 2013 05:54 AM

Hi Jean. Made a small one up which keeps things compact here on the back end. Never installed the xenon lamphouse as not required for our throw. I fell in love with the Kinotons when filming my super 8 epic 'Cinema of our Time' at the Warner Cinema and one day dreamed of owning myself and sometimes dreams do come true. Very quiet machine I find and compact which suits my needs perfecto. Just completed a service on this and oil change so it is a good companion in the 9.5, 8 and 16mm within our multi format shows.

Nice to see your FP50 as well and I'm guessing I'll wind up with a 75 in the end.

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Thor Andre Karlsen
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From: Fredrikstad, Norway
Registered: Apr 2012

posted April 17, 2013 08:19 AM

@Patrick
I cant find any lever [Frown]

@Lee
I'm not going to fire up the Xenosol 1600 in my bedroom [Wink]

@Jean-Marc
Yes its made for lasting forever:)

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Lee Mannering
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posted April 17, 2013 08:46 AM

I’m probably wrong but was the lever on these not just above the gate?
Classic bit of kit that Thor and a thing of beauty for sure.
My Kinoton used to have a 1600 watt Xenon on it which was a bit much for our little love nest, but ideal for roasting bacon on.

It’s a voyage of discovery getting into the larger film gauges and as with all things we never stop learning.

Nice to see the Bolex (Eumig) with the 35 machine, along with the Eiki 16mm. All you need now is a Pathe Vox 9.5mm sound projector and a Eumig MK-S Standard 8mm and you have the full sound set. My speciality is to start a show with a Standard 8mm sound film and work my way through the gauges ending on 35 with that Cinemascope lens in action.
Enjoy your new machine. [Big Grin]

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Thor Andre Karlsen
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From: Fredrikstad, Norway
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posted April 17, 2013 10:10 AM

It got to be some strange stuff in the water here, posting some pics so you maybe can see where the magic opener is [Razz]

Edit: Found the button, its the screw with a rubber seal under, feel quite stupid just now, only needed to breath on it and the housing slid open by it self, but I have to say, it was well camouflaged [Roll Eyes]

Pics from the original projection box

Edit:

I also was quite lucky and got 2 35mm films: "Pinocchio" (1940) and "The Pagemaster" (1994). I also got a film splicer, reels and split reels, lenses, extra lamp, 2 extra sound lamps, papers, film splicing tape, cleaning equipment, and some wheels that say 51 (blue) or 48 (red) (magnetic sound heads?)

Anyone know of any 35mm films in Norway (maybe Sweden, or even Europe)?

[ April 17, 2013, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Thor Andre Karlsen ]

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Graham Ritchie
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posted April 17, 2013 02:02 PM

Thor,Lee,Jean....brilliant stuff, the projectors look great [Smile]

Graham.

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Ken Finch
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posted April 17, 2013 04:42 PM

Cor!! I wonder where you guys find the room let alone space for 35mm films or even whether you can get anything except trailers!!! Ken Finch [Smile]

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Thor Andre Karlsen
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From: Fredrikstad, Norway
Registered: Apr 2012

posted April 17, 2013 05:00 PM

Got two films with it, but if I ever are going to set it up for projection I have to have some more [Razz]

35mm features seems cheaper that 16mm ones, of the ones I have seen, but shipping prices are not...

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Richard Bock
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posted April 17, 2013 09:51 PM

Great looking projector Thor. Would like to see once you get it setup some shots out of that Pinnochio print that you have. How is the color?

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Lee Mannering
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posted April 18, 2013 07:53 AM

Thor here is a ball park idea what to pay. In the 80’s I used to find it near impossible to get hold of films and things have improved dramatically for obvious reasons over the years. Typically you will pay £50 for a bog standard feature but can be much higher for more desirable material most certainly. From time to time the old anaglyph 3D features turn up which is always interesting along with shorts. Ironically shorts can sometimes be more expensive than a full feature although newsreels are usually quite reasonable. It’s good though to see many 35 collectors are equally as keen to preserve a projector particularly in this digital day and age and also great to see other film gauges such as 8mm being used side by side with larger formats, essential for the continuance of film.

Ken. Speaking for myself I learned to be very selective film wise or else you soon find yourself swamped like a chap I got to know years ago who had a Kalee 21 in his front room and you couldn’t see any of the four walls for 35mm features, literally floor to ceiling. That Kalee was a bit brutal when you started it up and I can remember the guy telling me how easy the drive could be damaged if you didn’t start it up just right. Looked a beast of a projector though made by Kershaw and Sons I seem to recall and sort of a green/brown colour. Someone else I visited had two Ross projectors in the house and they were both carbon lamphouses with rods that burnt for about 25 minutes I think. Then there was a guy in Yorkshire who had one in his caravan in the garden and the floor gave out mid show as the projector disappeared down onto the lawn. I’m guessing we all have a funny story to tell when things go wrong.

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Thor Andre Karlsen
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From: Fredrikstad, Norway
Registered: Apr 2012

posted April 18, 2013 05:52 PM

@Richard

The colour is very good (what I can say about the first few meters) its a Technicolor print from 1995, Norwegian language. the "The Pagemaster" is a Metrocolor London Limited (is that good film?)

I don't think that I can get the Ernemann running in the nearest future, but if I sometime get the chance I think its going to run again, at least it did not get scrapped [Smile]

@Lee
Thanks for the reply! Is there other places than ebay to trawl trough for prints you know of?

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