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Mark Todd
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Hi as sadly my feature buying days are over for at least the next seven years I now do features as many of us do on Blu Ray.

Beats film qaulity wise orverall but not the same I agree.

But lately I sort of lately as well fell in to Blu Ray Steelbooks, so now if I can find a new one reasonable enough for a film I don`t yet own, or one of my favourites I get a steelbook version.

They can be very nice looking and nice to own, handle etc and remind me of the nicer 8mm film boxes and for me oddly maybe really do ramp up the fun and feel of putting on a feature on the VP.

For instance you can get both DR Who movies in a steelbook that is lovely, one already out one on pre order.

Anyone else a bit bitten by these ?

I`m trying to keep a grip as they can be a bit addictive but have had the odd new nice one for £4/5/6/7/8.Sometimes cheaper than the usual version.

Best Mark.

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Andrew Woodcock
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I like Blu rays Mark. Their quality is very good indeed in nearly every csse of the ones i own. Somehow though, for me personally, i cannot get excited by a disc with a load of data on it.
I can spend hours making attractive covers to store a film in but seldom even look beyond the front cover on a blu ray. I also never bother watching the extras or directors take etc etc.
It is the very same story with me regarding CDs. I used to love playing 12" vinyls on a Technics Turntable but CDs just dont do it for me somehow when it comes to the sheer enjoyment and pleasure collecting or playing them.

I guess its an era thing and of course the tactile nature of owning anything analog

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Paul Barker
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i love blu ray. i have several steelbook editions. after years of collecting 8mm and 16mm i am now able to watch favourite films in great great quality. no worries re damage scratches fade etc. and excellent price too.god knows it beats me some of the quality some people will endure on 8 and 16. but everyone to their own.gone are my days of recieving dodgy prints and spending a small fortune for the privledge. had enough of that thank you very much. some really nice artwork on steelbooks so i understand people wanting and collecting them.some fabulous titles available too.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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Some of the extras are quite good, giving a behind the scenes look at film making. Seeing the skill of the behind the camera people makes you see the talent they had.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Yes Paul and David, I guess I am already a minority in this day and age. As time goes by I guess I will Soon be a dodo of the home cinema world but thank goodness for now there is enough of us left to keep a forum running debating the many trials and tribulations of the crazy yet magical phonomon that is film collecting.

As said, I do recognize and acknowledge the superb audio visual experience from projecting Blu Ray through a decent PJ and Home Cinema Amp etc, but just can't get too excited from the collection of discs I own. Great to watch but quite throwaway as a medium I find.

Somehow none of them feel special to me in the way a cherished mint print does with great sound and picture quality.

There are also films I have watched dozens of times that I couldn't generate any interest to watch in any other way than on film.

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Paul Barker
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well andrew the thing i found that finding really good prints in mint condition on 8 or 16 was a bit of a nightmare.and when you did the cost was and still is most of the time madness. i am just not prepared to pay silly money for a film any more.been let down too many times. my projectors and blu ray give me just what i seek when watching a film. i used to love 8 and 16mm, especially 16mm. but then im a lot older now. past experiences have taught me many lessons especially finance wise re buying film. sad but true. i have to admit i now get great pleasure buying and watching blu ray and at great prices.i buy from all over the world. and i dont have my heart in my mouth like i did when buying used 8 and 16mm. in fact i could not be happier.

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Andrew Woodcock
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You're right Paul and I have thought exactly the same way on many occasions in many different era's.

Today is a return to it all for me. A day not so long ago I would have said "no chance". But I guess this film malarkey just gets in your veins once you sample it at an impressionable age and for me, I guess it never left me and now doubt it ever will.

I understand exactly what you mean though Paul regarding the disappointment felt when receiving a print in less than expected condition and then all the hassle that ensues from the follow up.

That is my biggest motivation for always recommending only the kindest of film handling machines. Without finding them over the years, I couldn't have stomached ruining print after print at the price we all have to pay for them.

It feels like vandalism to me when one gets marked after years and years of preservation by a previous sensible owner.

I distinctly remember Barry Littlechild forming the very same opinion as you have now Paul and using the exact same argument once he sampled a Panasonic PTAE 900.
A devout film collector that featured regularly in FFTC before suddenly one day announcing he won't be posting in a film mag anymore as he was completely converted by the New found quality of the latest digital images.

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Mark Todd
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Its alwasy amazed me buying films from someoe who bought it new and the marks on it are crazy. They have sat there watching them build up on every viewing, sad I supose.

But its the selling on of crap and stone cold fibbing etc spoils the hobby. Plus the irony of the angry and unpleasant crap seller as well should you dare to politely mention it .

With steelbooks I find I get the same nice little buzz I used to with nicely boxed package film movies.

I think steelbooks life expectancy is about 10/20 years which is not so bad.

I`ve found myself some of the qaulity of streamed stuff like Netflix and even the TV I players can be amazing through even a modest LCD projector.

I can`t wait to watch the restored DR Who films on BR soon as I can bring myself to unwrap them !!!!

Opening up the steelbook and taking the disc out of it seems , well to me at least, to elevate the experiance a fair bit above the norm.

Best Mark.

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Mark Silvester
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Good post Mark

I totally agree in every way with Paul Barker - most will know of my time with 16mm...I had some fantastic titles from Kodachrome "White Christmas" to all the "Back to the Futures".."Close Encounter"..Raiders".."Godfathers" most of the original "Twilight Zones" and "Lucy shows" - nearly every film at one time you could imagine...you name it..it became an obsession for me and I nearly lost everything financially through it.

But I got SO...stung with a lot of features vinegar...lined..especially the rare stuff. Paul Foster and Derann were the best for me.

I keep my hand in as I also AGREE with Andrew...it is an ERA thing...and I have a little bit of 8mm..just to pick up thread, feel and touch..I cannot describe it any other way. Same as reading the old film catalogues...takes me right back to being 12 years old...But I have to say I keep my big screen shows now to digital p/j.

Best

Mark

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Rob Young.
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You won't be disappointed with the Dr. Who movies on Blu-ray Mark as the quality is arguably the best they've ever looked; like an original print but with less grain.

I still have my old 4 x 400ft Walton of "Dr. Who and the Daleks", and bought the DVD Gold edition back in the day as I too was a sucker for a nice box (you could also send off for two full size replica theatrical posters for each movie as part of the price). I shudder to think now that this may have cost around £50.00 at the time!

Happy days, but only one way to really see these classics now I'm afraid.

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John Hourigan
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While to each his/her own, I choose to not live my life in a constant state of nostalgia. Life is too short for that. I will always keep my films, but time (and technology) marches on. Today's technology finally affords me the print and sound quality that I sought in my 40-plus years of film collecting.

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Robert Crewdson
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I am in agreement with Andrew; I have some films I could watch over and over again, that I wouldn't buy or watch repeatedly on DVD. I have hundreds of DVDs, but running a film, even with splices and the odd scratch, is still a magical experience. I would prefer to spend £100 on a film than pay £10 for the same film on DVD. Each to his own. I shall remain faithful to celluloid.

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Robert Crewdson
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It only seems like last year when several members stated that the odd imperfection added rather than took anything away from their viewing enjoyment, they preferred that to the clinically clean DVD. It seems that Digital will gradually take over in the forum, with members of 40 years experience in cine, now extolling the virtues of Blu-Ray.

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Dominique De Bast
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Robert, I received this morning super 8 and 9.5 films. I'm not ready to give up. I had a call yesterday from a member of the French 9,5 club about the next season of the monthly projections. There is no question of digital at all.

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Robert Crewdson
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I don't think there is anyone who doesn't own a DVD , and we are well aware of the differences. We collect by choice. Some people will prefer to collect an original antique to a replica, or an oil painting to a print.As one of the faithful you might be interested in this:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/123457744477972/

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Brian Fretwell
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Forgetting all the film vs Blu Ray arguments - I think that Steelbooks will scratch as easily as film. I mean the book not the contents as unlike other DVDs & Nlu Rays they are not plastic covered. I hear on some other forums that people are buying to collect pristine and do not remove the plastic film they are shipped in to preserve them, so never see the movie.
So for the distributor another sale to the one for viewing!!!!

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Andrew Woodcock
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I always find this thing with film or digital images a bit like the modern day woman vs the more traditional "Girl next door".

One is practically perfect with absolutely no visible imperfections, flawless complexion, plenty of false plastic stuff etc, almost like a mannequin and dull as dishwater and shallow as paddling pool to boot...

while the other is full of minor imperfections, radiance and natural beauty while exuding a charm, magnetism, real depth and individualism all of her own!

It's all just a question of taste as to which you prefer to spend your time with.. Jordan or Julie!

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Paul Barker
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my god. some strange and weird comments
here. only started off with a chap likeing steelbook blu ray. its a hobby and an interest isnt it. not an obsession.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Just a humorous analogy Paul based on taste,that's all [Wink]

As in natural conversation, the topic expanded somewhat.

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John Hourigan
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Spot-on, Paul! Everyone needs to keep repeating to themselves, "It's only a hobby, it's only a hobby. . ." 😀

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Andrew Woodcock
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It is as you say John, only a hobby however you choose to view a movie, but switching on a Blu Ray player and throwing a disc into it prior to pressing a couple of buttons on a remote in no way represents the time and effort needed in screening film.

It does need a great deal of time and effort and TLC to keep it all in great shape and as a result, it does become a very time consuming "hands on" hobby that does in fact become a way of life in the manner any interest does if you put a lot of effort into it.

Not for everyone by any means but a labour of love to those that do it.

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What annoys me is that in some forums there have been the Digital fans who recommends that we throw out our films and get into the 21st century. To expand on what I posted before, we collect film by choice, not because of ignorance of alternatives. It's a bit like those people who put posters in their windows at election time telling you who you should vote for. If you want to ditch film and show digital only, fine, but don't try to force your opinions on others.

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Andrew Woodcock
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As said on many many occasions, I enjoy projecting both just in the same way I know people like Paul Adsett do.

I will never deny that the images or sound gained from a digital presentation are anything other than sensational nowadays.

However, Robert's point is a valid one in that although this is a forum for film users, we now appear to becoming a forum for ex film users boasting the benefits of projecting digitally with none of the hassles, heartaches and endeavours associated with the art of screening real film at times and appear almost cold and lacking any sort of compassion or understanding of the pleasures gained from all of the effort put into screening and trying to perfect real film by the people on here that still actually do it.

It is in the general yak section so of course all topics are valid and interesting, but surely we all on here at some point loved the merits of screening film just as in the same way we all loved listening to records once..and for some, still do?

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Maybe Mark could explain us why he opened this topic and what his goal was ?

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Andrew Woodcock
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We Digress Dominique and to that end I have no complaints about any post regarding the collections of digital media.

I just hope for the future this isn't going to be a forum full of past appreciators of Cine film and its associated equipment.

There is much still to collect and much still to enjoy.

In 7 years time, hopefully Mark will be back collecting again with the rest of us! [Smile]

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