8mm Forum: TV scope ?

8mm Forum

my profile | my password | search | faq | register | forum home

next oldest topic

next newest topic

»	8mm Forum » General Yak » TV scope ?

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!

Author

Topic: TV scope ?

Dominique De Bast
Film God

Posts: 4486
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jun 2013

posted May 27, 2017 05:50 PM

Email Dominique De Bast

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

Tonight, the final episodes of the (excellent) British serie The Five have been broadcasted in Belgium. From the beginning, there were two horizontal black strips like when scope films were shown on the 4:3 tv sets some years ago. My question : is there a new technique that requieres a more recent tv set than the one I have or did they put these strips to make a kind of effect ?

--------------------
Dominique

| IP: Logged

Andrew Woodcock
Film God

Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012

posted May 27, 2017 05:53 PM

Edit/Delete Post

A question very much for our good friend Rob Young to answer there Dominique. He will tell you the facts of the matter in a heartbeat!

--------------------
"C'mon Baggy..Get with the beat"

| IP: Logged

Winbert Hutahaean
Film God

Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003

posted May 27, 2017 06:48 PM

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

Dom, AFAIK our today's TV screen is 16:9. If the studio broadcast a cinemascope film with ratio 2:1 or 2.35:1, of course it will have that horizontal bars.

--------------------
Winbert

| IP: Logged

Dominique De Bast
Film God

Posts: 4486
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jun 2013

posted May 27, 2017 07:42 PM

Email Dominique De Bast

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

Thanks for your answers. Winbert, what seems unusual to me is that it is a tv serie so I wonder why they would have intentionnally shoot it in a format that would end with two bars (as it seems the word "strips" was not the correct one :-)

--------------------
Dominique

| IP: Logged

Maurice Leakey
Film God

Posts: 5895
From: Bristol. United Kingdom
Registered: Oct 2007

posted May 28, 2017 03:25 AM

Email Maurice Leakey

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

The series was shot as HDTV 1081i, with a ratio of 16:9.
This should fit on most wide-screen television sets without bars.

--------------------
Maurice

| IP: Logged

Brian Fretwell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1785
From: London, UK
Registered: Jun 2014

posted May 28, 2017 10:18 AM

Email Brian Fretwell

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

I have seen some BBC series that were shot in 4k that they said were not 16x9 but slightly different, so there were black bars. The one I remember was about a female coroner, but I can't remember the series title.

| IP: Logged

Douglas Meltzer
Moderator

Posts: 4554
From: New York, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted May 28, 2017 10:26 AM

Email Douglas Meltzer

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

4K has a slightly wider aspect ratio (1.9:1) than 16:9 (1.78:1).

Doug

--------------------
I think there's room for just one more film.....

| IP: Logged

David Hardy
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 955
From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015

posted May 28, 2017 10:55 AM

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

Its a great shame that those CinemaScope television sets
manufactured by Philips a few years back never caught on.
[Smile]

[Smile]

[Smile]

[Smile]

--------------------
" My equipment's more important than your rats. "

| IP: Logged

Andrew Woodcock
Film God

Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012

posted May 28, 2017 12:51 PM

Edit/Delete Post

If you go in places like John Lewis etc David, there are quite a few 4k Cinemascope TV's for sale there, like this Samsung one below.

--------------------
"C'mon Baggy..Get with the beat"

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted May 28, 2017 01:43 PM

Email Steven J Kirk

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

I have a Philips 21:9, anyone else a lucky owner?

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Andrew Woodcock
Film God

Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012

posted May 28, 2017 03:37 PM

Edit/Delete Post

My son uses a cinemascope shaped pc monitor to do his university work upon since he began 3D modelling and motion graphics designing for his course studies.

Not the Philips TV though sorry Steven.
We use a vanilla 16:9 42" ordinary LED backlit Kind. [Smile]

[Smile]

--------------------
"C'mon Baggy..Get with the beat"

| IP: Logged

David Hardy
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 955
From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015

posted May 28, 2017 04:55 PM

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

Stephen... that's the Philips TV i was referring to.
I wish i bought one though.

Andrew... Thanks for that information regarding the 4k set.
I wont be checking out John Lewis though. I was a long time
loyal customer of theirs. I no longer deal with them
now due to their interference during the 2014 Indy Ref #1. [Smile]

[Smile]

--------------------
" My equipment's more important than your rats. "

| IP: Logged

Andrew Woodcock
Film God

Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012

posted May 28, 2017 07:05 PM

Edit/Delete Post

David, John Lewis was just an example of one such outlet for obtaining an item as this.
They can be purchased from many others.

--------------------
"C'mon Baggy..Get with the beat"

| IP: Logged

David Hardy
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 955
From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015

posted May 29, 2017 05:08 AM

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

Thanks Andrew i am well aware of other suppliers of these TVs.
Cheers anyway.

--------------------
" My equipment's more important than your rats. "

| IP: Logged

Dominique De Bast
Film God

Posts: 4486
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jun 2013

posted May 29, 2017 06:20 AM

Email Dominique De Bast

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

I still have a HD ready tv set (so, not even an HD one). It gives me full satisfaction so I will only replace it when it will be broken or when too many programms are broadcasted with black bars. [Smile]

[Smile]

--------------------
Dominique

| IP: Logged

Rob Young.
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1633
From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003

posted May 30, 2017 02:20 AM

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

I haven't seen "The Five", but would imagine that the choice to frame it at 2.9:1 or 2.35:1 is an artistic choice.

This choice has been made on a few drama productions over the last few years here in the UK; whether it's a wise or sensible choice for TV, albeit with increasingly large screen sizes becoming more common place, is certainly open for debate.

The BBC are moving toward broadcast of all movies produced in an aspect ratio wider than 16:9 in their original format, which I think is a sensible decision given larger HD screens.

There is also an increasing trend for advertisements to be framed in wider aspect ratios, again it's an artistic choice.

Regarding replacing your TV Dominique, if you are happy with the one you have, I would personally wait for OLED screens to become more common place and affordable.

4K LCD VA screen panels with LED backlighting are the standard, and whilst the best can offer great images, they all have viewing angle issues.

At present, the big problem with OLED is that it can't manage the high brightness levels for a convincing HDR image, but give it time (a year or two) and hopefully we'll see OLED TV's with improved brightness and a move to the HDR Dolby Vision available 4K Blu-rays and TV's, instead of the various HDR formats, such as HDR 10 which are standard at the moment and quite frankly, have issues.

QLED is a new format which held some hope, but it's based around an LCD panel and certainly the new ones still have viewing angle issues... [Frown]

[Frown]

| IP: Logged

Dominique De Bast
Film God

Posts: 4486
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jun 2013

posted May 30, 2017 04:28 PM

Email Dominique De Bast

Send New Private Message

Edit/Delete Post

The Five will be broadcasted on French television this week (Thursday on France 2 for those interested :-) ). From the trailer, it appears that there will also be two bars on the screen. Too bad I didn't know before it would be shown on the French public tv channel as, despite what happens in Belgium, they don't cut the films and series for commercials.

--------------------
Dominique

| IP: Logged

All times are Central

Move Topic

Delete Topic

next oldest topic

next newest topic

Printer-friendly view of this topic

Visit www.film-tech.com for free equipment manual downloads. Copyright 2003-2019 Film-Tech Cinema Systems LLC

UBB.classic^TM 6.3.1.2