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Dominique De Bast
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 - posted April 15, 2019 01:23 PM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
is in fire ! French television is broadcasting the drama in life. It's the monument the most visited in Europe.

[Frown]

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Philippe Cuypers
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 - posted April 15, 2019 03:10 PM      Profile for Philippe Cuypers   Email Philippe Cuypers   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
YES , I JUST GATT THE NEWS THIS AFTERNOON.
VERY SAD DAY FOR PARIS, MY PRAYERS IS WITH THEM.' IF MY MOTHER WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY SHE WOULD CRIED.
WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG WE ALL WENT TO PARIS AND MY AUNT. ITS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CATHETRAL IN THE WORLD
THE ARCHICTECTURE IS BEAUTIFUL.
VERY SAD NEWS

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Dominique De Bast
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 - posted April 15, 2019 03:42 PM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The wood structure from the 13 th century is lost forever and firemen are not sure they will be able to stop the fire.

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Graham Ritchie
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So sorry to hear this...
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Dominique De Bast
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Latest new is that the structure in stones seems to be saved. Fire is still on but is lower than before.

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Tom Photiou
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The good news today is that the Cathedral is saved and able to be rebuilt, all be it the 13th century wood structure is lost forever.
It was just 30 minutes away from being totally lost to the fire.
Most importantly, no one lost there lives so Notre Dam will be rebuilt and will take five years.

On a lighter note,i guess Quasimodo will be staying at Esmeralda's until its rebuilt [Wink]

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Phil Murat
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Hello Tom,

Firemen were great as it was difficult to clear fire fast and in a same time to save the fragile arch structure......
The big organ is not too much damaged and will be completely dissassembled to be fully refurbished. Some stain pipes are just some hundred years old. the Cock emblem which was installed at the top of Violet-Le duc roof-arrow has been recovered.
From our side, some people are saying N-D will be rebuilt within 5 years : This is a joke.... 101 years were necessary to achieve N-D.

"Compagnons du devoir", masters in traditionnal carpentry and traditionnal stone art-work agrees for something like 15 or 20 years working time are necessary.

Anyway, "compagnons du devoir" are alone to know how to rebuilt in respect for tradition, I am afraid there are not enough qualified hand workers.
An other problem is to find suitable oak trees : 800 years ago, oak used were already 300 or 400 years old.....
1000 years ago all oaks available around Paris area were used.
All the roof was estimated for 1200 Ton of oak. To be add , 250 Ton of lead was used to seal the roof.

To have an idea for "Compagnons du devoir" usualy do , here is a link for museum :

MUSEE DU COMPAGNONAGE

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Tom Photiou
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Those firemen were quite amazing. Just looking at the size of that fire, its unbelievable that they were able to get it under control.And the news reports satating that another half an hour would have meant that the cathedral would have been lost. Even that huge glass window looks like it can be saved.

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Mark Todd
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Yes unfortunately catchey populist soundbites won`t get it fixed.

I remember looking around Notre Dame in 1990, amazing and wonderful doesn`t get there.

But 5 Years !!! surely impossible.

Also there can surely be no way on eath yet they know how the remaining stone load bearing is strength wise etc etc.

But as you say phil, the wood and the workers, masons, craftsmen etc etc to do it properly of its time.

I`d gues anywhere up to and over 20 years at least.

They will need to train a lot of people up even at basic levels.

Best Mark.

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Tom Photiou
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Remember the huge fire at York minster 1984? It's all fixable but unfortunately the historic losses can never be replaced.

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John Armer
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I agree that the loss of the historic fabric is tragic, but just think of all the opportunities now for people to repair and rebuild - craftsmen employed and openings for young people to learn traditional skills.

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Maurice Leakey
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The lunch time news has just announced that the fund has now reached one billion euros.

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Tom Photiou
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It's great news isn't it, what a shame that the rich country's of the world cant find the money for the homeless though, a billion within 48 hours!

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Mark Todd
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Sadly yes.

But at least it means they may be able to rebuild it fully in its original style, or ways.

Best Mark.

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Tom Photiou
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Thats nice then, think about it, one billion in three days, amazing. How many tents are there in Paris?

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Osi Osgood
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On the "plus side" (if there IS a plus), at least the renovations had not been finished and then it caught fire, that would make it even more hard to take.

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Antoine Orsero
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My little son is at the Companions du Devoir in Marseille not far from my house but he is of no help because he learns the profession of pastry chef [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

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Tom Photiou
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oopps, i think i left the oven on!! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Trevor Adams
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Gallows humor Tom? one thing mankind is getting pretty good at,rebuilding our tourist attractions!Some years ago an earthquake shook Christchurch's cathedral apart. It is finally on the way to repair and meantime local citizens are using a transitional cardboard structure-made in Japan.

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Terry Sills
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Gallows humour or not - Tom that's very funny and after all no one was killed or hurt, so what's the harm Trevor? By all accounts it was an accidental fire and it will be put right again. Lighten up.

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Phil Murat
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Hello,

No problem with Tom's Humour from my side.....

However, investigations are not closed and nobody understand how a fire can accelerate so fast even if initiated from an electrical arc.

At this time fire origin stays a fully entire enigma.

Special Congratulation to the company which devopped this very helpfull toy :



COLOSSUS

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Tom Photiou
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My humour is only there knowing no one was killed [Wink]

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