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Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on September 17, 2004, 09:52 AM:

I think I saw it on ebay one year ago. the winner was a french. Why does he sell the machine again...?
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 17, 2004, 01:44 PM:
Ugo, perhaps more importantly why does he wrap them in foil?
Posted by Steven Sigel (Member # 21) on September 17, 2004, 03:08 PM:
It's not foil -- although it looks like it... Actually he used photoshop or something to blot out the surroundings of the picture... Look closer and you will see...
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on September 17, 2004, 07:27 PM:
Perhaps a sheet of .99 cent white poster board would have worked better. Oh well, foiled again! [Razz]
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on September 17, 2004, 11:41 PM:
Unless of course he "stole" the picture from another site and in actuality he doesn't own one! (Conspiracy theory #1)

Is actually Frank Adams selling projectors under his Ebay 2nd identity (Conspiracy theory #2)

Thats all I have for now. Its late.
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 18, 2004, 01:52 AM:

I am afraid that was a little bit of British humour (well sort of) [Wink]
Posted by Antoine Orsero (Member # 41) on September 19, 2004, 03:47 PM:
I know personally the salesman and his father. He is the son of a very famous French mechanic who was approved ELMO and BEAULIEU! It is a very very big specialist.
You can completely rely on him and it is far from being a funny

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on September 19, 2004, 06:14 PM:
Tony, Mike & Chris here is your chance for a 240V model.

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on September 20, 2004, 05:38 AM:
Yeah Ugo,

I too remember seeing this machine on ebay before as you say. Still no explanation as to why it's being advertised for sale again a year (or so) on? [Confused]

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on September 20, 2004, 01:36 PM:
Kev, no box, need I say more? [Razz]

Mike [Cool]
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on September 20, 2004, 04:30 PM:
Yes Kev i still get the occasional remark over my standard GS, what would happen if i bought a Xenon i dread to think, I think i'll give it a miss.

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 22, 2004, 03:12 PM:

Much cheaper if I buy a box of bangers on Bonfire night [Wink]
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on September 22, 2004, 04:40 PM:
That´s to much money for me.
I started again few weeks ago to collect Super 8, I was happy that I don´t sold yet my standard GS1200. ~2 years ago I sold a well used GS1200 for ~600 Euro because I bought a new one in very clean condition for only ~25 euro.
As I bought my old one (for ~450 Euro) I come to the sellers home, only few minutes to late. He sold one GS1200 Xenon for ~600 Euro to another and I get only the standard.
The reason that I stoped to collect Super 8 was that I have for my 16mm Films a Elmo 16CL Xenon.
I hope I find one day a cheap GS1200 Xenon
Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on September 22, 2004, 04:43 PM:
25 euro for a GS1200????
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Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on September 22, 2004, 05:28 PM:
Yes Ugo, it was 50 German Mark that is ~25 Euro.
It was the best deal I ever made. The projektor was also in very good condition like a new one.
But I know a guy who bought a GS Xenon for ~100 Euro.
Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on September 25, 2004, 07:07 AM:
oh this is very lucky purchase!
But I have a question for the forum folks: do you think it's ethical to buy a GS for 25/100 euro from a guy which doesn't know these items have still value? Probably these sellers think these machines are totally "out of market".
One time I bought a Bauert T610 and a Goko 8008 (like new) for 50 euro, but in the next days I had a lot of ethical problems...
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 25, 2004, 07:35 AM:
Ethics? [Eek!] [Confused]
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on September 25, 2004, 07:42 AM:
How did you resolve those ethical problems Ugo.
I think its nice to get a bargain, but not too much of one.
I think if I was offered a GS1200 privately for say £100 I`d buy it and then send then a cheque for another £150 so I`d have paid what I could really go to for one at a push.
I did once buy anice RT1 eki fopr £20 with a zoom conveter on but it need all new belts and a clean up and the sound shaft greasing etc so that was OK, really.
I did hear of ba chap getting two Gs`s for I think £100 each in london and a chap in Ireland for £60.
I personally think fiar price for a GS is about £400 for agood un, not neccesarily what the market will stand but what is rightish considering the age.
there must still be loads knocking about in lofts etc.
best Mark.
PS anyone have any idea how many they actually made.

[ September 25, 2004, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: Mark Todd ]
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 25, 2004, 11:53 AM:
MR O'Reilly

Take a note of Mr Todd's price guide....tell you what I will go up to £500 [Big Grin]
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on September 25, 2004, 11:59 AM:
At least one from Perry's will work. [Big Grin]
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on September 26, 2004, 01:42 PM:
I don´t have a problem with 25 Euro. The Projector was from a association (there was a litle label on). I thing the guy get it for no money after the the association used only videos.
It was on a flea marked, I saw it and asked him how much, he said 50 DM (25 Euro) and I paid him without any question.
That is all.
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 26, 2004, 01:50 PM:

If you ever want to sell it for Euro 50 and double your money then I have the cash here [Wink]
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on September 26, 2004, 02:22 PM:
this is my only Super 8 projector but if I found a GS1200 Xenon under 100 Euro you get my GS for 50 euro [Smile]
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 26, 2004, 02:26 PM:

And I promise to sell it on for exactly twice what I pay you for it [Big Grin]
Posted by Ian O'Reilly (Member # 76) on September 27, 2004, 03:04 AM:
If I took Mr Todds price guide, I would have been out of business long ago.
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than acquiring GS1200's for £400 and then selling them on for reasonable profit, but most collectors want £800 for their machines in the first place.
I sell them for £1,150 if you take the V.A.T. off, credit card charge @ 3.5% service cost (all projectors are serviced before sale) plus I have to Guarantee the projector for 3 months
nett profit £144
It's more like the risk business.
If fact after reading the above Statement I think I will pack it in and get a proper job [Wink]

Mark !!!
I don't know what you are sniffing up there but could you please send me some down. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on September 27, 2004, 11:28 AM:
Hi In, fear not I meant £400 privately becaue you usually have to fix or replace a few bits then.
I think in projectors you are probaly the most fair inded dealer and if I had the shekels I`d have had one off you years ago.
I just think the prices are abit high, better if you could buy them for £300 and sell for £600, but you can dream.
Only sniffing thermofilm up here but they do say you can find some very nice small coney shaped mushrooms that float your boat, if you are up early and miss the rush.
Best Mark.
Posted by Ian O'Reilly (Member # 76) on September 27, 2004, 12:00 PM:
Are you implying that the prices I charge for Projectors are fair.........but the films I sell are not? [Mad]
Keep digging mark, that hole is getting pretty deep [Big Grin]
uncle Ian
The very fair projector dealer, but unfair film dealer [Frown]
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 27, 2004, 12:24 PM:
Mr O'Reilly,

I am now wearing sack cloth and ashes for my unkind remark [Frown] . I apologise without reservation. [Roll Eyes]

Indeed you are right [Big Grin] . I had not given a thought about all those mouths you have to feed, the £500K plus house in London to maintain, the not inexpensive cars you have to drive, the many many holidays you are forced to take (which involves taking away large amounts of Euro gained from the local post office).

Thank goodness there are a few widows out there [Wink]

And all done with flair and ethics (although I am not sure about how that corresponds to some of the tales you have told me [Wink]
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on September 27, 2004, 03:38 PM:
Must be the magic mushrooms!!! [Big Grin]

Kev [Smile]
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on September 27, 2004, 03:48 PM:
Hi Ian I forgot to say that Perrys movies films are the best and also best value in the UK.
Best Mark.
( nice free L+H in the post please)
Posted by Ian O'Reilly (Member # 76) on September 27, 2004, 04:03 PM:
Films on it's way Mark. [Wink]
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on September 27, 2004, 04:11 PM:
Smashing Ian, but there is sad news, the episode of top gear was taped over before I could spot you in vehicular ecstacy as it were.
Probably as a result of " whats that crap he`s taped on here now"
By the way does Jeremy Clarkson drive on the right instead of the left, if you catch my drift.
best Mark.
Just someting I cuaght him saying in one of his other programs!!!!!!
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 28, 2004, 12:20 AM:

"Honest Ian " is certainly a real Gent to deal with I agree.
Posted by Heinz-Juergen Schachner (Member # 32) on September 28, 2004, 08:21 AM:

the best price I did buy an ELMO GS-1200 STEREO for was EUR 150.00 with the 1.1 lens. This machine was in excellent condition and it went to a Mr. Robin Palmer in England.

I never had any troubles with my conscience when buying something for a really good price. After all, you do not know what arrives when you must rely on a photo of the machine, only. If you have to repair the machine for lots of money, the deal was in the end not as good as expected. Thus I do understand Ian very well. I would not sell a fully maintained machine for little money myself.

By the way: I have always been very happy with the many purchases I have done at Perrys Movies. Ian has always been very kind, reliable and fair. If Ian tells that a print is in excellent condition you can really rely on this blindly. This has not always been the case with Paul Foster or Derann, who write "A-condition" very quickly and the prints are "B-" if not worse.

Best Wishes

Heinz-Juergen Schachner

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