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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 15, 2006, 10:33 PM:

I have just projected "Three Cabaleros" (200" Disney, made in USA, printed on Kodak SP).

Talking about color, this particular title is still holding well against other Disneys who were released in USA.

When Donald and friends are singing, blue dress of Donald, yellow sombrero, red dress, green backround and dark side are distinguishable very well.

But when the story goes to the live action (when the three are flying to Mexico) what are seen on live action (human) is reddish.

Check your reel and report if you have similar fact.

So what do you think behind this? Do you think that cartoons (animation) are holding color more than live action?

cheers,

[ May 16, 2006, 06:34 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on May 16, 2006, 06:29 AM:

If I recall correctly, the live-action was indeed a little bit reddish when I saw the film as a video. Hence this could be due to the original negatives as well - AFAIK the cartoon-sections have been shot in Technicolor, the live-actions might have been shot with some other filmstock (e.g. the early slide/double8/...-Agfa-colour films tended to be too reddish when coming fresh from the lab).

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on May 16, 2006, 06:38 AM:

In the UK this Release from Buck Film Labs was printed on Fuji stock. The colours still leap off the screen to this day. I havent really noticed any redish look to the live action sections.

Kev.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 16, 2006, 06:40 AM:

Yes, Kevin, Buck Film Lab is known to have good color. Unfortunatelly all my Disneys are made in USA.

cheers,

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on May 16, 2006, 07:03 AM:

I think cartoons fade just the same as live-action films (depending on film stock, of course). But you notice it less because cartoon colors are more of a subjective thing and up to the artists that created them - there is no reference to what the colors should be, like there is with live-action scenes. You just know when a daylight scene doesn't look like daylight, or an actor's skin color looks unnatural, but with cartoon characters and backdrops you can't really tell. That's what I think, anyway... so the eye is more forgiving to (slightly) faded cartoons.
Does this make sense?

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on May 16, 2006, 05:33 PM:

Jan I think that is a fair comment and would go a long with that.

Kev.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 16, 2006, 11:28 PM:

Jan, your comment does make sense.

But last night, I projected another "Three Cabaleros" which was printed on Eastman and also was made in USA.

Guess what, all color on cartoon scene as well as the live-action are reddish.

Is it connected with the stock? Another thesis to be solved...

cheers,

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on May 17, 2006, 02:56 AM:

Or is it because the film stock was flashed prior to processing?

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 17, 2006, 11:30 AM:

I've noticed better color on some releases from Disneys "golden age of Super 8", and I think it's definitely due to the fuji stock that was used. Most of my 400ft. releases are on fuji, and they still look perfect, (color-wise)

Sadly, it seems that certian releases were only released on Eastman stock. Mickey's Memorable Moments volume two, for instance. All the copies of this have faded color, sadly. Have any of you ran into any fuji color prints of this?

Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on May 17, 2006, 12:18 PM:

>>>>Buck Film Lab is known to have good color. <<<

Hi Winbert,
have seen some Buck Films which are turned very red.

Andreas

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