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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 03, 2012, 04:49 PM:
Hello Michael and Mark,the reason I carried this onto this Forum
was because twice I answered your questions and twice the
computer didn't transfer to topic,even telling me I hadn't logged
on,so enough was enough and here we are.
I'll answer Mark's question on why I don't think Derann released
"Dr Terror's House of Horrors", well a very fine article was written
in issue #13 of FFTC by Mr George Seaton entitled "Films of a
Monster Hunter" and in it he mentions various films and the
companies that released them,he mentions "Dr Terror" and
tells us it was hire only on s/8,but doesn't mention who did have
it.Now back in the 70's I had Derann's hire catalogues,and I've
never heard this film mentioned until Georges article,which
makes me think it was some smaller firm,and there were plenty
of them then,that had this title.For instance Macro movies had
a Cinemascope col full length std 8mm copy of "Black Zoo" that
they hired out complete with lens.The Rank Library had a s/8
"Legend of the Werewolf",Warners had loads of big name features like "Golden Voyage of Sinbad etc full length for hire,
so like I said,thats the only time I've known of it's existence on
S/8 and I've never heard Derek Simmonds mention it.
On to Michaels query on "City of the Dead".It's widely accepted
that this film was the first Amicus title,even though the firm
wasn't properly esablished until "Dr Terror",this was the first
collaboration of Rosenberg/Subotsky.As mentioned in Alan Bryce's book "AMICUS THE STUDIO THAT DRIPPED BLOOD"
I quote "Rosenberg sent Milton to England to oversee production,though onscreen producer credit went to Donald
Taylor to satisfy the British company who were putting up half the finance.The film was also billed to the company known as
Vulcan productions,though in every other respect it's really the
very first Amicus picture," In the issue #20 of "Little Shoppe of
Horrors"devoted a whole issue to Amicus which was in reality a
book by Phil Nutman and very interesting reading it makes
I quote"Although not credited as such,and with Subotsky forced to take an executive producer credit,Rosenberg is not credited at all-it is basically the first real Amicus production."
It's listed also in the Amicus Filmography at the end of the issue."Warlords of Atlantis",while not having Amicus' name on
the credits is every thing but name as it has all the names of
their personel John Dark,Kevin Connor,Alan Hume,Doug McClure
etc,even the last official Amicus prod."People That Time Forgot"
only Rosenbergs name and not Amicus.I would certainly
recommend this mag to you Michael and Mark if you like reading about this company I can't praise it too highly,the
infighting and underhand dealings in this firm make "Julius
Caesar" look like a game of cards.It's available from
www. littleshoppeofhorrors.com all back issues are in print and
the last one was a special on "The Fearless Vampire Killers" and
it's beautiful.Treat yourselves to a night in with a great mag.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 03, 2012, 05:00 PM:
Thanks for the info, Hugh, though I'm sure you can understand why I didn't think these were Amicus productions.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 03, 2012, 05:11 PM:
Michael,it's confusing because there was so much backbiting,secret deals,ambition,I'm suprised they actually got
round to making anything at all.The two main protagonists were
the original odd couple,but they managed through all the battles
to make 35 films,God alone knows how.
Posted by Thomas Smith (Member # 1889) on May 03, 2012, 07:15 PM:
i have heard of these hire prints i.e dr terrors house of horror
and legend of the werewolf,but did any of them survive because
i dont know any collectors who have them, does anybody know if
they are in fact in private collections ?
Posted by Lance Alspaugh (Member # 27) on May 03, 2012, 08:05 PM:
Good Day Gentlemen,
We have an S8 print of "Dr. Terrors" and its held up fairly good.
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on May 03, 2012, 08:43 PM:
If anyone can shed light on the following, please do.
Around the mid-1980s, when the Super 8 revival was taking off, at one Derann Open Day, Dave Worrall (who knew I was a fan of classic British horror) pointed out to me a new, full length sealed print of 'Dr Terrors House of Horrors' that they had for sale. I'm sure they only had one or two available and it was a flat print, despite it being a scope film. I also think it was on 400' reels (probably 5), despite Derann feature releases at the time being on 600' reels. Dave was very honest and warned that the print quality was below average, so I didn't consider buying it, despite the fact that it seemed unlikely that further prints would be available. I have no idea if it was imported from somewhere. If not, my guess was that Derann had been able to borrow a negative and had produced a couple of test prints, but had decided that the results were not good enough to produce larger quantities.
[ May 04, 2012, 05:35 AM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 04, 2012, 03:43 AM:
Adrian,that sounds like Derek,"king of the white box special" and
to be fair,I'm sure that quite a few releases were "put out quitely"
and thank God for it or some of our favourites might not be here.
Although I can't recall any for hire of "DrTerror" from Derann, it
may be that one of their copies was loaned out by a little company.Whatever,they're definately out there and it does back
up what Mark said,Derann might also have hired it out on the
quietThats another facet to this hobby,somewhere out there is a
copy of your favourite film full length.
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on May 04, 2012, 06:08 AM:
It would be interesting if Lance can say anything about his print; is the source and period known? If it was printed by Derann in the mid-1980s, it would be polyestar.
I don't think Derann hired it around this time as even if there were sensitivities regarding the title, they could have said it was an import and they had at least one or two rare features in the library that genuinely were imports.
Incidentally, can anyone confirm if it was Derann that released the Std 8 feature of 'City of the Dead'? I used to have a print but unfortunately sold it.
What surprises me about Amicus is that the only official release of one of their horror films I can think of was 'The Beast Must Die'. Surely some of the best stories within their anthology-type films could have made good 400' releases.
Posted by Thomas Smith (Member # 1889) on May 04, 2012, 07:35 AM:
hello lance your lucky i would love a print of dr terrors
and as adrian has said some info on this print would be
of interest and i can recall that a print of legend of the
werewolf was avalable on a auction site some years ago
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 04, 2012, 07:41 AM:
Adrian,you can take it from me, that the film you had in std 8mm
"City of the Dead" was a Derann print,and it was taken from a 16mm print,I was nearly successful in talking Derek out of his
copy,but let it go, as it did have sentimental value to him,It was
this film along with the full length "Psycho" that really launched
his company,being his first full length features for hire.
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on May 04, 2012, 11:01 AM:
Many thanks for your reply.
I,m sure I saw an advert in Denis Gifford's 8mm book with Dr Terror listed for rental in Derann's library or did I dream it??
Regards Mark W
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 04, 2012, 01:16 PM:
(or anyone else who might actually know) ...
Wasn't Dr. Terror's House of Horror" the last appearance on film of Moe Howard (of the Three Stooges) without his comedy team? I seem to remember that he did a cameo in that film.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 04, 2012, 01:35 PM:
I think Moes last film was Dr Death, Seeker of Souls.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 04, 2012, 03:08 PM:
That's right Michael,he was 77 at the time,made in1972.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 04, 2012, 04:49 PM:
I enjoyed your article in the magazine.
A question - was the Derann "Revenge of the Vampire" full length or edited?
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 04, 2012, 06:25 PM:
Thankyou Michael for those kind words.The edit of the std 8mm
was the complete version that was shown in the UK.It was on
four brim full 400'spools With a running time of 83 minutes,It was put out later edited and a less dense print on S/8 and a shorter
running time.I just recently obtained a french version on 5x400
which is the uncensored version and thats only about a minute or so longer.Whichever version is available I would say grab it,as this is up there with "Nosferatu" and a creepy film to boot.It
would be nice to see this film along with "Blood on Satan's Claw" given the full length treatment.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 05, 2012, 01:10 PM:
Hey, thanX 4 that Micheal, I knew it was some low budget horror opus.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 05, 2012, 08:03 PM:
Hello Mark,you're probably right with Denis Gifford's book,but in
his Pictorial History of Horror Films" he has a large listing in the back, giving titles that were available at the time on 8mm, he credits
Derann with the release of "Black Zoo"'Scope,which was done
by Macromovies who only had two copies of said film,Blood of
Draculas Castle" he says was Derann but was dist. by Mountain,
"Curse of Simba"he says is colour which it isn't,"Destination Inner
Space" he attributes to Derann,but again Mountain/Heritage.
I personally think "Dr Terror" could have been an import that Derann got cheap, on the understanding there probably wouldn't be anymore due to poor print quality.One of the prints
I have is Korda's "The Thief of Baghdad" in s/8 col/snd and I
have never come across another, probably a pirate copy.I know
that Derek would sell cheap any lab spoiled prints,but there
were always the top quality prints of the same title, and as we
all know, their prints were on the whole, excellent.That's why it strikes me as odd that there weren't any first rate prints for sale.
Posted by Thomas Smith (Member # 1889) on May 06, 2012, 03:17 AM:
mark if you mean denis gifford armchair odeon collectors guide
i have found my old copy and i cant see dr terror listed for
sale or for hire
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on May 06, 2012, 03:52 AM:
I must have seen the advert in a copy of Movie Maker then,thanks for checking the book for me.
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