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Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on November 21, 2015, 09:35 PM:
The amount people pay for a faded no color left print is astounding to me: http://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Sound-Color-Scope-Feature-Lucas-Star-Wars-1977-Uncut-Classic-Sci-Fi-Epic/111825771954?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DAB A.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3D03dd34640af244a492774745cfb24203%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D321925158768
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 21, 2015, 10:02 PM:
Judging from the screen shots,it has some color left. I beleive we usually say it as very good color. Sometimes the white balance setting on digital camera makes the print look wash out.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 22, 2015, 01:12 AM:
Yikes... I have a 16mm Scope print that's fading. I was going to spin it off into the rubbish bin and just keep the reels for something else.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 22, 2015, 01:21 AM:
That is a stunning amount to pay for one film, let alone one that is fading! I'm truly flabbergasted.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 22, 2015, 01:48 AM:
2.375 $ !
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 22, 2015, 03:59 AM:
But good luck to the seller.
Posted by Barry Attwood (Member # 100) on November 22, 2015, 05:23 AM:
I had kodachrome prints on 16mm of all 3 original "Star Wars" movies (Scope as well) about 15 years ago, and I got Ģ1500 for the 3, and they were mint, it amazes me what some people will pay for any kind of print these days!
Posted by Jack Cleveland (Member # 4485) on November 22, 2015, 06:40 AM:
Don't you think it's because it is a 1977 print? Isn't it hard to find a print of Star Wars in it's original version before Lucas started playing with it? Adding effects, etc?
I think it's phenomenal- more money than I could pay- but great for the seller.
I'm watching this one with great interest.
Posted by Paul Suchy (Member # 80) on November 22, 2015, 07:10 AM:
I would like to tell these bidders for that amount of money they could purchase a super 8 scope lowfade print and a good stereo projector and still have left over cash for popcorn.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 22, 2015, 12:19 PM:
And would be far better off in doing so Paul judging by the overall appearance of this print!
This is one film that definitely needs the Stereo Scope experience to enjoy to the maximum.
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on November 22, 2015, 02:01 PM:
I remember that about 15 years ago someone offer me a print like this. It was a original english version with faded color, he wanted a offer more than 250 german marc. This was somethink about $100. I didnīt bought it and soon after that I get a german dubbed original fuji print with much better color for 370 German Mark and I never regret to refuse this offer untill now.
I canīt belive that someone pay so much for a faded print.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 22, 2015, 07:23 PM:
3.050 $ (44 bids) so far.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 22, 2015, 10:10 PM:
$4,724 NZ dollars I paid about $60 NZ for my original "Star Wars" 16mm Scope print.
Would some "sucker" out there like to buy my faded print for only $3000 included are some special features, such as a "few original scratches" ...I would even throw in the reels for $3000
Sorry folks just being sarcastic, my conscience would never allow me to sell it, when prints get like that its better to dump it.
Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on November 23, 2015, 04:11 AM:
The world has definitely gone mad.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 23, 2015, 04:32 AM:
I don't believe we need a sale of a film to tell us that unfortunately Del!
Stay safe Dominique. It's particularly worrying where you are right now!
Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on November 23, 2015, 04:42 AM:
$3,100 and now 45 bids. This print looks worse than any in my collection. Why is someone prepared to pay this sort of price when they can buy a pristine blu-ray and projector and get cinema quality. I wouldn't even want to watch such a faded copy.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on November 23, 2015, 05:36 AM:
Andrew, my flabber has never been so gusted!
Interesting debate over the weekend and interesting to hear the amount of people who actually hate Star Wars.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 23, 2015, 06:01 AM:
Myself, I quite like Star Wars,Lee, but I'm not a fanatic of it as some people are with these things. "Treckies" I think we used to call them thinking back to my early High school days. It's the very same group of people who never missed a single episode of DR Who or Hitchhikers Guide
I'd never pay more for this print than any other low fade equivalents, so I guess as I never pursued a copy first time around in the hobby, I never will now.
Ah well, ney bother..there is always B.R.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 23, 2015, 12:09 PM:
Hey! I've been saying, get that STAR WARS stuff that you want to sell, up on ebay, right now, when the "feeding frenzy" is at it's highest.
I have a original STAR WARS promo poster up on ebay right now, ending in less than an hour (it was a give-away in the first years release of the STAR WARS soundtrack LP, and I nevr put it up on the wall, left it in the album and kept it pristine) ...
It has a 100.00 dollars bid on it right now, for something that was a freebie all those years ago ...
So folks, cash in while you can!
Posted by Simon Balderston (Member # 5106) on November 23, 2015, 02:02 PM:
how much cant believe that's well out of this world
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 23, 2015, 02:33 PM:
The sad thing here is the odds that the winner of this auction is likelier a collector of Star Wars memorabilia than a film collector and if that's the case this film may have seen its last screening.
For us it's always content and condition and we'd certainly pay a reasonable amount for a print like this, but not this much.
-for all we know we may have George Lucas and James Earl Jones bidding against Harrison Ford this time! (Tell me none of them ever goes on E-bay!)
-by the same token it could just be some regular guy that got carried away and is sitting in front of his monitor right this moment saying "Oh crap! Ohhhh CRAP!! Someone PLEASE outbid me!". (-been there!)
(His wife thought they were going to Orlando this Winter but in a few hours he'll have some 'splaining to do!)
"Trekkies" into Star Wars? At elite engineering schools around the world bar fights have broken out across this divide!
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 23, 2015, 02:49 PM:
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 23, 2015, 04:10 PM:
Under 10 minutes now: It's better than New Years Eve!
(Seriously! -once you've been through 40 or 50 of 'em!)
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on November 23, 2015, 04:20 PM:
final: US $3.701,00
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 23, 2015, 05:25 PM:
I was sure there would be a bunch of sniper bids at the end! ("C'monnnn $5,000!")
Of course for the people that didn't get the winning bid this will forever remain the single greatest piece of film ever put on a reel.
-the one that got away!
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 23, 2015, 06:49 PM:
Maybe George Lucas bought it so he can destroy it....he can afford it. it would help him in eliminating the original version.
Posted by Phillip R Campey (Member # 3942) on November 24, 2015, 11:31 AM:
Now there is a like new 16mm print of Empire strikes back, god only knows what that will go for.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 24, 2015, 11:58 AM:
Word is all over the place about this print and there will be many, many new prints in the coming days and weeks and they won't all get what this one did.
First supply wasn't enough for demand and soon demand will not be enough for supply!
Timing is everything.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on November 24, 2015, 12:21 PM:
As others have already said I believe this is someone at Fox/Disney/Lucasfilm with instructions to bid what ever it costs to pull 16mm prints from the market. Remember that whilst Derann's super 8 prints were official and approved, the 16mm prints were surely in film libraries and only ever for rental and not intended for private hands. That is my thought...
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on November 24, 2015, 01:00 PM:
I understand if someone pay lot of money for a rare and nice print like this auction, but so much money for this faded Star Wars print is stupid.
I paid also lot of money for my 35mm IB print of Star Wars but it is a nice print and it is worth every cent.
Posted by Gerald Santana (Member # 2362) on November 24, 2015, 01:32 PM:
Looking at the bidders history, it is highly unlikely that it was someone from Disney, who now owns all of the Star Wars product. In the last couple of weeks, the bidder won other films and a DVD.
Either way, if it comes back on the market whether it is returned or a different copy, the total amounts to that a used car. But for that price, I also want R2-D2 as the holographic projector to screen the whole thing! Otherwise, I'm with Paul on this one...If I were that person (or a huge fan of the movie) I would buy the new LPP print.
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on November 24, 2015, 03:21 PM:
$ 3701 for a faded pink print! There is saying about a fool and their money being easily parted. Maybe someone thinks they have a unique piece of memorabilia
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on November 24, 2015, 07:39 PM:
Forum members are assuming that the seller is nuts, but the bidding reveals that FOUR people were willing to pay at least $3050!
But I'm no less amazed by Graham's words regarding his faded print: "my conscience would never allow me to sell it, when prints get like that its better to dump it." If I had a print, I'd be attempting to cash in without a second thought, and although a potential return of over $3,000 would be the incentive, I'd also argue that my conscience wouldn't allow me to dump a print that people would be so desperate to own!
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 24, 2015, 09:20 PM:
I think the auction started at $19.99.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 24, 2015, 09:42 PM:
Each to there own Adrian
I for one would never any "cash in" on a film I consider total rubbish, to me that would be dishonest...its just not me.
If people want to sell that kind of stuff that's up to them. but I do wonder if that person who bought it really does know anything about "film" or just gone along with all this present short lived "Star Wars" hype
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 24, 2015, 10:05 PM:
In all fairness Graham,
The seller (Forum Member and a nice guy, BTW) made no effort to misrepresent the print. The reason we know what it was like is because he told us.
I'll give you odds he had no idea it would turn out the way it did. He started out with 20 bucks plus shipping and probably would have been happy to get a hundred. It just turned into a winning lottery ticket!
We laugh here at E-bay sellers with some dirt common print seeking thousands: trust me, this seller knows his stuff, and had no such ideas.
There were also over 50 bids here. It means at least two people were absolutely desperate for this print. That's the perfect storm if you're an E-bay seller. You can't make it happen, and you actually can't stop it either.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 25, 2015, 02:11 AM:
I guess the e-bay world is something I am not used to. I must be the odd ball around here as I have never bought or sold on e-bay
I have sold films in the past at a certain price but usually insist not to send me any money until they are fully satisfied with the film, if not just send it back.
Without doubt the seller of this film has done very well out of it and good on him. The reply to Adrian above that I would dump mine rather than sell it, is that if I sold it for say $10 and the buyer then re-sold it for $3000 I would not be a happy about it, simply because someone in my view in the end has been ripped of a sub-standard print, and not because I missed out on the $3000 dollars.
Some one said to me of late that "Star Wars" fans would pay big money for those Super 8 films I gave to a museum...to bad I thought that's where they are staying
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 25, 2015, 05:07 AM:
What's kind of funny to me is imagining this print that has now cost as much as a couple of cars I've owned going out economy shipping!
Let's hope between the two parties it's really traveling with a tracking number, insurance and a signature on a clipboard.
-but then again the seller was initially willing to let it go for as little as $19.99, so economy shipping sounds fine in that equation.
As I said: I know the seller. I've never bought from him on eBay, but cash in my hand has become cash in his hand: live, in person. I like the guy and trust his motivations (probably wants to buy some films...)
We don't know the buyer(s) and what their motivations are. It's possible they are now saying "I got this original edition Star Wars for under 4,000 bucks. I'm going to do (X) with it and retire/buy a car/get a wife/dump my wife!"
-If this is true either they know something we don't know or it's possible they've ripped themselves off!
-or just maybe in a few months a Lamborghini Countach will be coasting down the Pacific Coast Highway with a license plate that says "STRWRS16" or "3770HAHA"!
(Or maybe they just really, really wanted the film.)
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on November 25, 2015, 05:25 AM:
There must come a point where these out faded or gone pink films are binable? I'm guessing this particular film is destined for a Lucas collector perhaps or someone who wants to remove prints from circulation involved in the industry which has been known.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 25, 2015, 05:31 AM:
I'd say what saves this one is the title. I have utter crap prints that I hold on to because I really like the movie and any print is (barely) better than none.
I won't dismiss the idea of Lucasfilm wanting to scrap a print, but then again who was the second bidder?
Even if they were just diddling George Lucas they faced the possibility of being hung to buy the thing if they "won".
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on November 25, 2015, 07:35 AM:
Responsibility does not rest with the seller. He has been honest in his description and it has been the silly buyers who have inflated the end price way above what would have been expected.
I cant see the end sale price being paid by someone who just wants to project the movie unless they are using a guide dog to thread their projector or a totally forgiving of any faults and shortcomings the film may have.
Three possible scenarios are:-
The buyer really thinks he has a unique piece of memorabilia which he will be rushing off to his bank fault or movie memorabilia auction house for evaluation.
Next, print is a original 1977 version before Lucas revised edited/played with it. Maybe they think they can produce DVDs to sell to die hard Star Wars fans. That is before Disney or Lucasfilms catch up with them and fine them millions or jail them
for their piracy.
Finally, maybe they plan to sell it on some one who may cut it up frame by frame and have say four frames attached to a suitably glossy forgettable collectable tacky piece of fan experience memorabilia at $20.00 to $50.00 a pop. See Ebay for similar tasteless examples.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 25, 2015, 08:18 AM:
There's a 16mm Empire Strikes Back up right now, it'll be interesting to see what happens to that.
How about this:
Bob lives in Secaucus, New Jersey with his Mom. He has a lot of Sci-Fi stuff he's accumulated to fill the emotional void left when his Fiancé Julie dumped him for a guy who is entirely without memorabilia. He got a new credit card in the mail last week with a $5,000 credit limit. He saw this film and had to have it. The Klingon Bat'leth signed by Michael Dorn didn't make him feel better, but he knows for certain this will do it.
George is George Lucas. He looked at the auction and reached the conclusion this faded print is no threat to his franchise and instead spent $25,000 on a first season "Star Trek the Next Generation" command uniform. He'll spend another $40,000 for Madame Tussaud's to make a wax Patrick Stewart to go in the uniform. The result will go in a secret room in his warehouse only HE knows about!
Harrison is Harrison Ford. He thinks Bob is George and keeps chipping the bids up 50 bucks at a time just for laughs. At $3770 he grew bored and decided to take a walk on the beach instead. The next time he sees George he'll give him a big grin and George will have no idea what it's all about.
Bob won the film. It won't fill his emotional void, he'll have to take a second job pushing a mop around Denny's to pay for it, and his Mom is really angry at him.
-but last night an original BattleStar Galactica costume popped up on EBay in HIS SIZE.
-Surely THIS will make everything right!
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on November 25, 2015, 09:26 AM:
Maybe it is the estate of Alec Guinness. His views on Star Wars are well documented. One print less only one billion to go. The force is strong on this one young Luke!!
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 25, 2015, 11:36 AM:
I have an old 16mm print of "Empire Strikes Back" mmmmm anyway I wont go there ...I will keep quiet
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 25, 2015, 12:23 PM:
COOLSVILLE on that 35MM print.
If I didn't truly love those two scope prints of STAR WARS that I have, I'd be making boo koo bucks right now, but I can't part with them.
Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on November 25, 2015, 12:26 PM:
What interests me is the only 'private' bidder in the whole list (u***u), who came in right at the last, but was beat out by winner, barely.
Someone with an ebay knowledge to bid as such, and also privately is someone who knows ebay more than the casual user.
I am interested in why this potential buyer wanted the print at such a cost.
Most people with some money invested into something like this do not wish to watch it diminish further on a reel. my guess is they will flip it during the 'hype' which i don't believe has peaked yet.
The time-stamps on the bid history suggests that the winners final bid was put in 2 hours before u***u's bid. This means that the winner had it set to automatically bid, at who knows what ceiling?! Craziness.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 25, 2015, 05:41 PM:
There is another one now..let's see if the outbid bidders will buy this or were just involved ina bid war:
[ November 25, 2015, 09:21 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]
Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on November 25, 2015, 06:04 PM:
Here's the link to two films worth watching. One star wars, one empire strikes back. http://www.ebay.com/sch/c-max/m.html?item=201473047027&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Posted by Clinton Hunt (Member # 2072) on December 04, 2015, 11:02 PM:
I see these are 16mm films making huge amounts of money for the sellers but it makes me wonder if my super8mm prints of these will increase in value?
I have all three of the original ones in either 2 x 400ft sets or just a 400ft.
From memory I probably paid about NZ$20 each a few years ago.
Posted by Jason Gronn (Member # 3921) on December 05, 2015, 12:02 AM:
Clinton, I could not see these digest prints increasing in value to much but the feature length Derann prints on super8 well that's another story.
All l know is that lm that desperate for a super8 feature print of Return of the Jedi l will pay just about any amount if one should ever show up.
Posted by Clinton Hunt (Member # 2072) on December 05, 2015, 12:25 AM:
To be honest that's what I thought about digest prints .... but I know I am going to see them listed by newbees at really high prices!
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on December 05, 2015, 01:37 PM:
I forgot to comment on something that Jack said almost at the start of these posts. The original 1977 version of STAR is rather rare, as most prints are re-issues of STAR WARS, after some tinkering with the color and such by Lucas, (for instance the Derann super 8 scope print, while awesome, is from a re-release version from about 1982, if memory serves me correct), so, to find an actual 1977 version is not impossible, but certainly harder to find ...
.... but these kind of prices for faded prints? Rather embarrassing, it reminds me of that great line from the beginnings of TRUE GRIT (by the ever lovable Strother Martin) ...
"I wouldn't pay that for winged Pegasus!!"
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on December 05, 2015, 05:22 PM:
$3701 vs $760 (incl. free shipping worldwide) !!
What is this??? Are they the same version or not?
Ps: if you live in Asia, the cost of shipping will be around $50-100
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on December 06, 2015, 12:49 AM:
The cheaper print was missing 30 seconds of the film during the trash compactor scene. That breaks down to $98.03 a second! I bet the seller wished he had the missing footage!
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on December 26, 2015, 02:54 PM:
This is what a near mint print with perfect picture is going for now..$4750!
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