8mm Forum: Looking For, Once Upon Time in the West

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Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on July 09, 2009, 10:07 AM:

Hi I am looking out for a nice chap in Italy the full feature of this western, Once Upon a Time in the West in nice condition and good colour please.
If you have a print to sell be very nice, please contact me.
Best wishes Mark.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 09, 2009, 10:33 AM:

Your new title is the six million dollar man? Nope, it's the "Pound Man!" I like that!

Wasn't "Once upon a Time in the WEst" (brilliant western, by the way), released as a full length scope release?

I know that Marketing films came out with a 3X400ft edition, as well as the full feature, but I think that there's were full frame or adapted scope, but an actual scope super 8 feature exists. I think it was a german release.

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on July 09, 2009, 10:50 AM:

Never printed in Italy an official 'scope release of this masterpiece!

There exists only a 'pirate' copy, flat and completely faded to red...

Instead it's very hard to find a marvellous 16mm scope print (polyester and lpp) of this movie printed by Sampaolofilm in Italy for the rental market only...

Flavio

[ July 09, 2009, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Flavio Stabile ]

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 09, 2009, 07:54 PM:

Hi Mark, how are you?
Flavio has unfortunately reported the terrible truth about this Italian print (I think a lot of us would sell a finger - not the whole hand! - to have it).

The source used was a 35 mm already faded (probably a copy released in 1968). The 'pirate' version on 8 mm (using this source) was printed more or less 10/12 years later. AND ON EASTMAN. Can you imagine the result? Faded source on fading stock [Mad]

. I own a copy in this terrible condition just beacause I love the movie (and the soundtrack. Oh boy, and Claudia Cardinale is simply beautiful). But I hope to find a good one, one day.

And yes, Osi, I know for sure a German edition in SCOPE of the full feature was issued. But it's quite hard to find it. As rare as the Marketing 3*400 and the Italian 16 mm editions are.

Just knock on my door if you find out this German version or any information about it! Ciao.

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on July 16, 2009, 02:35 PM:

I think all german S8 release of the last years are still available (as brand new prints), also OUATITW.
It´s only very difficult to find a used print.
I have a 35mm Technicolor print for sale (english with danish subtitles) but unfortunately the last 15 minutes are missing.

[ July 16, 2009, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: Oemer Yalinkilic ]

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on July 16, 2009, 02:54 PM:

The Marketing three parter is rare? I've seen it a few times at conventions this year alone.
Wasn't OUATITW released full length (cropped) by Marketing International (along with Grease, king Kong 76 and Emmanuelle 2)?

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 16, 2009, 05:08 PM:

quote:
I think all german S8 release of the last years are still available (as brand new prints), also OUATITW.

Oemer,
where do you think I could find a brand new copy of this movie? I would buy it immediately!

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on July 17, 2009, 02:43 AM:

I asked few minutes ago and Once Upon a Time in the West is actually available.
They told me it cost about 1250 Euro, but I let you know the exact price, because I know a guy he get sometimes a better price.
You can buy it from me without to pay a middleman.
Let me know your email address.
regards
Oemer
obiwan5467@aol.com

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 17, 2009, 05:06 AM:

Hi Oemer, this is my mail:

gloncri (at) hotmail (dot) it

Will you please let me know if it is definitively the scope version, kind of stock used and number of reels?
I wait for some news.
Regards.

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on July 17, 2009, 05:24 AM:

It could be interesting to know if it is an Umkerhkopie or an original print...

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 17, 2009, 05:28 AM:

Hello Flavio.
Yes, of course I'd like also to have an idea about this detail.

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on July 17, 2009, 06:33 AM:

I appreciate that this post will be useless to our overseas members, but for anyone of interest - check out the link below -

http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php

Apart from the info on OUATITW it is a damn good website to view.

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 17, 2009, 07:00 AM:

It is indeed, Keith. I took a look. Very intersting.

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on July 18, 2009, 02:24 AM:

The print for 1250 euro is for a brand new print in scope (not Umkehrkopie, it is made from a negativ).
This price was told me from a dealer in germany. He told me the Film laboratory increase the price up to 200 Euro.
Maybe the old price was about 1000 Euro.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 18, 2009, 09:13 AM:

Keith!!

What a great link! I was flabberghasted as well as overjoyed that we'll soon see a new bit O film the John Wayne, in an unreleased, (or rarely seen) film, and I am overjoyed to hear that the Duke actually made a SCI-FI WESTERN!!

COOLSVILLE!

Thanks Big Bro!

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 18, 2009, 10:27 AM:

"Once Upon a Time in the West" was released by Marketing as a 400' digest, a three parter and a full feature.

Oemer,

Great work finding that print!

Doug

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on July 18, 2009, 10:36 AM:

Can't believe!!! Now the hunt is open... [Smile]

However the mentioned cost is absolutely out of my budget...

But.. is the marketing full feature release in scope?

Flavio

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 18, 2009, 11:09 AM:

Flavio,

I don't recall Marketing releasing any features in scope. It might be letterboxed.

Doug

Posted by Jean-Christophe Deblock (Member # 792) on July 18, 2009, 11:23 AM:

Hi everyone,

OUTITW was not a scope release by marketing and not a letterboxe.
Overmore, the colors are faded. Unfortunately.

JC.

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on July 18, 2009, 11:52 AM:

Well... the hunt is already closed...

If flat I'm not intested in it...

Anyway my dream remains the 16mm Italian copy from Sampaolo film.

I found it about a year ago, but I renounced to it because the final love scene, with Charles Bronson and Claudia Cardinale, had been removed by some Sampaolo agency itself for censorship reasons (it seemes ridicolous but it is true!). It's very hard to find a copy integral but I know it exists.

[ July 18, 2009, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Flavio Stabile ]

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on July 18, 2009, 12:32 PM:

Hi guys, my english not very well, but is it so bad?
The print I´m talking about is a brand new, lab mint, unused Scope print. One of the recent german releases and not a old marketing print.
This print I´m talking about is not struck yet, I heard that someone in France has ordered one print and because the Lab strucks always two prints together, so it is possible to get in few weeks a print for Gian too.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 18, 2009, 01:54 PM:

Meanwhile ... Gian drools ...

... right into his projector and causes it to blow up! Hahaha!

Just kidding Gian! [Smile]

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on July 18, 2009, 04:22 PM:

So far I have found only the boxes... [Big Grin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390017706963

Flavio

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 18, 2009, 07:54 PM:

[Big Grin]

And now? What can I look for????
Osi, I will invite you here for a Sunday Night Screening!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 18, 2009, 08:12 PM:

Hey, who knows Gian!

If my script sells down there in Hollywood, (yep! I have a bonifide movie star reading one of my scripts, even as we write!
and he's a famous dude I idolized in the 70's. (Send me an e-mail if you'd like to know who!), then I might just be able to make a trip over there! [Big Grin]

Posted by Peter van Zand (Member # 1552) on July 19, 2009, 02:39 AM:

The Marketing full version is indeed flat & red.. But I'm still glad I have it [Big Grin]

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 19, 2009, 10:17 AM:

Osi,
send me a mail to tell he who he/she is [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Jean-Christophe Deblock (Member # 792) on July 25, 2009, 02:48 PM:

He guys,

For the one who searching the 3x400 featurette of "OUATITW", it's on the last Derann list.

Regards,

JC.

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 25, 2009, 07:29 PM:

Any news, Oemer?

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on July 27, 2009, 11:24 AM:

Hi Gian,
you got a email
regards
Oemer

Posted by Michael Beyer (Member # 1143) on July 28, 2009, 02:04 AM:

Hi folks,
my scope-copy of "OUTITW" was made from the 16mm-Negative and it is an very good print. Stunning colours and good sharpness. So not an "Umkehrkopie" (what is the english term for that ???)
There were only 20 pieces released with German Mono Sound. It came on 10x400 ft.

But it is NOT available [Big Grin]

Best wishes,
Michael

Posted by Jose Artiles (Member # 471) on July 28, 2009, 04:28 AM:

For whom it may concern...
i still have all the brand new boxes of the full feature from marketing film,if someone is interested i will give it away for free,the one who interested i them just have to pay the shipping [Smile]

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on July 28, 2009, 04:52 AM:

Umkehrkopie is a reversal print made direct from a 35mm positv print, this is not struck from a negativ. Reversal prints are often soft in focus.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 28, 2009, 09:06 AM:

often soft in focus? Really? (I don't say that not believing you). You would think that the focus would be even better from a 35MM than a 16MM. Is it because a super 8 reduction is too much of a "squeeze" down in one step? Just curious.

I just got to thinking ... it just shows how much people around the world just love this small film gauge! You don't see this kind of continued production of prints on 16MM!

(at least, not that I've heard of.)

Posted by Michael Beyer (Member # 1143) on July 28, 2009, 10:16 AM:

Hi Oemer,
I know, what an Umkehrkopie is, but I don't know what the english term is, f.e. reversal-copy or something...
My copy of OUTITW is definitifely an print from the 16mm-Negative.

Or in German:
Oemer, ich weiß nicht, was Umkehrkopie auf Englisch heißt. Meine Kopie ist definitiv vom 16mm-Negativ gefertigt.

Best wishes,
Michael

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 28, 2009, 10:32 AM:

Jose,

how many boxes are they? They should be ten, at least. Are they built for 400 or 600feet reels? Could you please let me know? I would be really interested. I see your mail is not available on the Forum so PM me, in case, at:

gloncri (at) hotmail (dot) it

Michael, are you referring to the Marketing print or to the CHC one?

A little mystery to solve, now.
The Marketing edition (10 reels) should be printed on polyester. The CHC one should be on acetate. Reels, in this second case, should be more then 10.
BUT if the Italian edition on acetate is mounted on 12*400feet reels, do this means that CHC edition (if Michael is referring to it) misses some sequences?
Consider also that the Italian edition IS NOT COMPLETE (and I'm talking about a 12*400 movie!): the very long 'silent' opening (main titles) has totally disappeared and there are lots of cuts here and there all throughout the feature.

To all members of the Forum: is there any of you, owning the CHC print, in a position to post some shots, to have an idea about quality, please? And I'd be also pleased to have some additional info about its length (and integrity).
I'm a little confused, now. Thanks a lot.

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on July 28, 2009, 05:12 PM:

Osi, a reversal print was made different way.
A reduction print, a print struck from a 16mm negative that was made from 35mm positiv is better than from a 16mm negative that was made from a 16mm positiv (dupe).
And of course a 16mm original print (printdown) struck from the 35mm negative has the best quality.
Super 8 Reversal prints looks like old 16mm Kodachrome prints, they have great color but soft focus.
This was often used in the 70´s to make fast (overnight) one or two copy´s before the 35mm print was played next day in the theater again.
They exist many Super 8 reversal prints of rare titles. Some are in good quality and much better than other prints from the 70´s and early 80´s but far away from new Derann releases.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 28, 2009, 07:33 PM:

I wonder if that is where my "Close Encounters" scope feature came from, that kind of printing, as Derann released the 1980 "special edition" and that, only 15 or so prints. This 1977 scope feature that I have is the only one of it's variety that I have ever run across.

Posted by Michael Beyer (Member # 1143) on July 29, 2009, 01:34 AM:

Gian,
my print is from the German Lab. I think CHC orders it there, as they do it with Titanic, because they have the master. I made a mistake: I had 12 reels. It is mounted on 3x 1200'' and 1x 800 ft. I will try to make some photos and post it here...if I can do it ;-)

Osi,
you can indentify an reversal copy on the stock. It is totally black. As Oemer said, the focus is softer than the original. Mostly the colour, too. If someone offers an reversal print, you should ask for the quality. Often the copy-labs don't clean the film before copying. So the dirt, lines and sometimes the colour fade from the master is copied to the S8-print.

Best wishes,
Michael

Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 29, 2009, 01:52 AM:

Thanks a lot, Michael.
In case just send me a mail with some attached files at

gloncri (at) hotmail (dot) it

If you cannot, I will be post the shots myself.
Take care and let me know.
CIAO

Posted by Matthieu van der Sluis (Member # 6040) on December 23, 2018, 08:52 AM:

I can buy the Marketing 3x 400" version, on the reddish side.
Is it worth buying?
Is it possible to get this version with good color?
Is the way of how they cut this film to 3x 400" nicly dony, or did they kill the film this way?

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on December 23, 2018, 11:40 AM:

Matthieu,

If you look at the Index of Reviews in the 8mm Print Reviews section, you'll find a link to a review of this title.

Doug

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on December 23, 2018, 12:49 PM:

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000683

A link for the review i did earlier in the year.
Marketing were never brilliant at there edits, (a few they did very well such as war of the worlds), but this title is OK. We like it very much but our opinion is that the editing is a little abrupt in places. It's fine if you know the feature film well, i guess thats the same with any cut down, we are going to keep an eye on ours to ensure it doesn't start fading too red too soon. Hope this helps [Wink]

Posted by Matthieu van der Sluis (Member # 6040) on December 23, 2018, 03:04 PM:

Thank you.
Just read it.
I'm not sure.
He ask €50 for it.
The film is red and he don't give much more info other than that it is used.
Think I pass on this one.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on December 23, 2018, 03:17 PM:

i think your wise. If its red its not worth anything in my opinion.

Posted by Oliver F. R. Feld (Member # 1911) on December 24, 2018, 01:02 AM:

Matthieu,
the 3x400‘ Edition pops up very often at eBay.de.
Don’t buy it at Christmas: usually You can get it cheaper than 50 Euros.
And there are many prints around which are not faded.
The content starts late, when Jill McBain arrives at the farm.
But from this point the cutdown works very well.
Tom,
there are a lot of very good marketing-Film cutdowns worth collecting: STAR TREK, THE LAST COUNTDOWN, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, TO CATCH A THIEF, THE HUNTER, AIRPLANE, CRACK IN THE WORLD...

Posted by Matthieu van der Sluis (Member # 6040) on December 24, 2018, 07:38 AM:

Glad I checked this here first, where the real film knowledge lies.

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