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Posted by Leon Norris (Member # 3151) on October 23, 2018, 10:44 AM:
The Exorcist - classic horror digest - 3 ×400 ft version. A nice print. Color is good. A UFA Films Release. Well edited. Near mint. In German sound. ( note I have two prints of this film one I had recorded in English stereo sound By Adam dereling in Ohio. He did a great job.) . I am selling the German print for 150.00 plus shipping. Its in the original boxes. Mint boxes. A Fast seller!
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on October 23, 2018, 01:16 PM:
Posted by Leon Norris (Member # 3151) on October 23, 2018, 03:25 PM:
Sorry , Joe no shorts for sale at this time!
Posted by Leon Norris (Member # 3151) on October 25, 2018, 11:47 AM:
Price reduce on the 3 parter is 125.00 . that's a good deal! You have Adam in Ohio or Lance in California. To record it in English. A great horror digest. I had my print done in stereo. Adam did a excellent job!
Posted by Leon Norris (Member # 3151) on November 01, 2018, 11:11 AM:
This film is now SOLD!
Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on November 12, 2018, 12:45 PM:
I was the lucky purchaser of this 3 parter. I thought I could include screen shots of what Leon described as "Color is good."
For your enjoyment, screen shots of The Exorcist by UFA! Oh yeah did I mention the "Color is good." Also, no returns! Even if not as described. Even though I also offered to take the hit on shipping both ways.
[ January 08, 2019, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: Douglas Meltzer ]
Posted by David Skillern (Member # 607) on November 12, 2018, 01:20 PM:
What a lovely shade of RED !!!
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on November 12, 2018, 01:49 PM:
Why do people do that,colours well faded,$125 for disappointment,more like unlucky buyer,Mark
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 12, 2018, 05:02 PM:
Sorry but that is not good color. Evan, I'm very sorry for you and your recent purchases. Very unfortunate.
Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on November 12, 2018, 08:58 PM:
Well it would have been one of my " finest red prints " on eBay !!
At least when I sell a faded print on eBay I certainly push it as
" WE SELL THE FINEST RED PRINTS ON EBAY " !!!
- and PEOPLE COME RUNNING TO BID ON IT !!
So Leon , if you come to Cinesea next April , be prepared to face the music .
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on November 13, 2018, 04:29 AM:
Mr. Baker sells red prints like fine red wine
As a Bottom Feeder Dave has provided me some treats
Please come to the next Cinesea Mr. Baker
Sorry to hear about the print Evan
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 13, 2018, 07:47 AM:
Oh dear. No this not good,its red. End of! not even remotely good colours. I know the word i would use!!
If i advertise This film with good colours this is what you would get, here is my review on this website for this same title. Scroll down further on the review page for the extra images i put up after the initial thread.
my own print of the 3 x 400ft
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 13, 2018, 11:24 AM:
Badly faded prints should be destroyed not sold, as somewhere along the line some poor sucker is going to get caught out with a dishonest description like we are seeing in some cases lately on this forum.
Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on November 13, 2018, 11:55 AM:
Thank you for the support everyone.
I guess I'm the poor sucker on this one!
Tom, your print looks fairly well! Is there just a tiny bit of fading to it? Or is that just due to the image capture?
I too have sold prints that have faded, but have always clearly advertised so with screen shots. After all, if someone is buying a faded print they should be able to see how much those prints have faded to red!
I guess it is partially my fault for taking the word of "no red at all"
I provided the seller with multiple opportunities to correct the error, but was only pushed to re-record it to English and re-sell it.
Thanks again everyone.
[ November 13, 2018, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Evan Samaras ]
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 13, 2018, 01:58 PM:
As far i can remember from the last screening mine is pretty good with only the very early signs of fade. I will take another look at it early next year. Sorry about your print there though.
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 13, 2018, 05:28 PM:
Hi Evan, Leon surely sent the wrong copy to you by mistake and will hopefully refund or swap it out for you.
Best wishes Mark.
Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on November 13, 2018, 05:35 PM:
I wish this was the case, but I’ve been told it was Sold As Is! Even though that is stated no where on this listing
Thanks anyways for the support!
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 13, 2018, 06:45 PM:
I recently slipped up selling a film, and refunded the whole amount inc post.
And the film stayed there.
Mind you it was much better than this print colour wise.
I`m sure when Leon reads this posting he will put things right.
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 13, 2018, 07:13 PM:
Not so sure...Leon has said on the parts thread that this print had color on his projector and implying that Evan has made it red. It sounds like Evan may be out of luck. I'm guessing Leon may have lost some customers as well.
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on November 13, 2018, 11:10 PM:
Im always afraid to burn bridges in fear of seeing the person I screwed at a show. very uncomfortable
I hope some mutual satisfaction will come between you two.
I respect Graham euthanasia point of view but red prints are good to sell on ebay like Star wars,Halloween or horror flicks. People still buy them.In fact thats how new collectors start out by buying red print, Also good for test film.
Posted by Oliver F. R. Feld (Member # 1911) on November 14, 2018, 12:24 AM:
I am sorry but „Color is good“ should not mean „It’s maybe a red print so re-record it and sell it at eBay“...
[ November 14, 2018, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: Oliver F. R. Feld ]
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 14, 2018, 04:17 AM:
Hi Evan, can you message me your paypal address please.
I am really sorry about this.
Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on November 14, 2018, 10:05 AM:
Thank you again All!
Brian, in this case I’m not the one who brought the torches to the bridge so there is little I can do about that. I do understand that to be a reason many have not responded publicallly as well, and I do not fault anyone for it.
When a person responds in an immature manner it tells a lot.
Mark, if you are implying you want to send me money for my misfortune, it’s nice and appreciated but not necessary. The money lost in this case surely does not overwhelm me with joy,, but at least I had it to lose. Any money you give out is better spent with a charity who needs it.
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 14, 2018, 01:00 PM:
Hi Evan I was`nt intending to go wild, I just thought send $5 as a gesture, and if a few others did too etc.
I would just try to sell it on, as it is, with the screen shots, and honesty, and hope it does fairly OK.
Paying for re-records and other costs like posts and so on with a totally red look like that does`nt make much sense. Plus they can often be a bit off if unlucky. Theres been enough of that already.
I suppose the best thing you can do is make an effort to just let the whole thing go, if you will, don`t dwell and move on.
This sort of thing happens to us all in cine sometimes. I suppose you have to mentally preprare yourself for it.
I still have hopes when Leon reads this thread he will come through for you.
Best wishes Mark.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 14, 2018, 01:35 PM:
I'm wondering if thats the right print thats been sent as the description is
"3 ×400 ft version. A nice print. Color is good"
Sorry if im am mistaken but wasn't there two prints for sale?
That one isn't good, it's red. Not even fading, but faded!!!
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 14, 2018, 03:01 PM:
Hi Tom Leon has come through for Evan, which is great.
I too think it was just a slip up.
Film can be a fickle old business with some stocks.
Everyone knows what Leon does for the hobby, so I thought he would.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 14, 2018, 03:48 PM:
thats good news.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 14, 2018, 05:41 PM:
Mark are you sure its for the film, as I have only read it as an offer to exchange the parts.
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 14, 2018, 05:53 PM:
Your right Graham , sorry its my post stroke bonce again !!!
Fingers crossed that will include the film.
Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on November 14, 2018, 08:09 PM:
You misunderstood I was saying the seller should satisfy the buyer and come to a mutual satisfaction. The seller is burning bridges with you. No one wants to buy or do business in situations like this. I hate the whole as is no refunds. Always good to pay goods and services.
Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on November 14, 2018, 10:03 PM:
Nothing has changed. Leon is firm that this item was sold “as is”
According to him, no returns/no refunds
The second print mentioned is Leon’s personal print.
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on November 15, 2018, 01:48 AM:
Surely he realises you bought it on his description and the private message stating no red at all would have sealed the deal,what a great way to do business,unfortunately this is happening more and more,it's not just the money but the disappointment and the hassle in most cases sending it back, some sellers on ebay don't know what they have as it's untested so you do take your chances but in this case no excuses.
Would you have bought it knowing the print now?,Mark
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 15, 2018, 02:23 AM:
Well I think thats very sad Evan, its a shame when money becomes god so to speak.
I always bemoan the rising prises in films as it seems to lead to a seller over expectation, which seems to lead to an errosion of goodwill somehow.
Money gets the better of people rather than wanting to do what is right and fair.
$125 plus post is an awful lot of money for a 3 x 400 film in any order, even with really good LF colour.
But a film looking like this should be value less, a give away, or very cheap goodwill enjoy it item.
Well Evan I am very sorry, and so are other people. Try to put it in the past, and make sure you see some screen shots on any films in this price bracket in future with a what screen size please too.
Film seems to have a crazy, compulsive, and driven element for a lot of us.
16mm really does seem to be slowing back to more sensible levels overall now, bar the odd daft feature, hopefully super 8 will too.
My best wishes and forward to better things, Mark.
Posted by Oliver F. R. Feld (Member # 1911) on January 05, 2019, 06:56 AM:
I wanted to send You a mail but Your mailbox is full
Please send me Your E-Mail address
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 07, 2019, 11:24 AM:
Either you knew what to look for, (good film stocks), or you just have had incredibly grand good luck with you're purchases through-out the years. Very good colour for that title!
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on January 07, 2019, 01:12 PM:
I think a lot of my films are pure luck but also i am very fortunate to have a dedicated room for all my films and its constantly cool all year round and no windows, so permanently dark. No sunlight at all. In the summer evenings, (especially last year), when it gets very hot, it's the perfect place to cool down with a movie or two.
I am only guessing that these conditions are pretty good for cine films. We still have our fair share of films showing signs of fading and we will continue to sell these on now and hopefully, make some cash for other titles that havnt faded .
As it happens, the one thing i do have to watch for in this particular room, is humidity, it.'s an odd one because on a crisp clear winters day and night the humidity is below average, as soon as it rains outside or is grey and dull it goes into the 60s on the metre.Even with central heating this only improves it until the dry weather yet the room is dry, carpeted and regularly cleaned throughout. All that said, after 20 years here i dont appear to have had too many problems with the equipment or stocks.
Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on January 08, 2019, 03:31 AM:
The way I see it is Leon should sort this as soon as possible as his reputation is now in tatters, who on earth would buy anything from him?
Plus I've known Evan for quite a while now and consider him to be a friend, one of the nicest people you could speak too.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 08, 2019, 12:33 PM:
well done, Tom!
The perfect "recipie' for storing films. the only thing i would add is getting some of those "selica gel" packs and placing them in with you're films, to keep humidity from you're collection.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on January 08, 2019, 06:03 PM:
I've deleted a post here that quotes from a Private Message. A PM is a private conversation and may not be quoted unless the author has given permission.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on January 09, 2019, 12:59 PM:
Kevin clarke very kindly sent me a number of the silica gel packs so they are already in place.
Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 09, 2019, 03:14 PM:
I appreciate everyone's support in the thread. As you can all tell, there has been no response to this issue with the seller, who stated "sold as is." No point in beating a dead horse I suppose. At least everyone can be weary enough to ask for screen shots of "good color" prints from him, or stay away otherwise.
It's a shame when you can't trust an individual's word who otherwise had a good reputation in the hobby.
Thanks again everyone!
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on January 09, 2019, 04:38 PM:
Just a thought, a PM sent on here or any other website is, i assume, a PM, should this this one be deleted also,
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on January 09, 2019, 08:05 PM:
I was referring specifically to private messages sent via this Forum, which is my only concern here.
Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on January 10, 2019, 05:43 AM:
I wouldn't personally touch his stock with a barge pole and anyone who deals with this guy after this debacle deserves all they get..
Posted by Leon Norris (Member # 3151) on January 10, 2019, 06:28 AM:
Hey Evan , WHO is a Dead horse? I am not going to stoop to your sorry level! But I will if I have to that's my Reply!
Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 10, 2019, 07:35 AM:
I am not name calling Leon. The phrase “to beat a dead horse” actually means to waste energy on a lost cause or unalterable situation. I hope that clarified it for you.
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on January 10, 2019, 07:38 AM:
Leon a dead horse is the issue, namely your refusal to admit it's a red print. Have you never heard of this expression?
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on January 10, 2019, 08:28 AM:
Beating a dead horse: to keep talking about a subject that has already been discussed or decided.
There was nothing insulting in Evan's use of this phrase.
I'm closing this thread. The outcome should have been different.
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