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Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 12, 2016, 07:42 AM:

Beaulieu 708 EL Stereo Capstan drive for selling
great working condition, like "New", original Schneider 1.1
£1050.-- shipping to EU and USA included
more info please use PM

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 12, 2016, 08:42 AM:

Stunning machine Alessandro. A thing of pure beauty and engineering excellence. 👑😊

What a fantastic Christmas Present for some lucky collector!

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on November 12, 2016, 09:38 AM:

Hi Alessandro, PM sent, Del.

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 12, 2016, 09:51 AM:

Yes, Mr. Del, PM sent.
thanks

Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on November 12, 2016, 11:40 AM:

Dead on Andrew, what a nice looking machine, very well cared for. They dont show up to often and rarely looking like this. Congrats in advance to the new owner:)

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on November 12, 2016, 12:17 PM:

Hi Alessandro, you have another PM, Del.

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 12, 2016, 12:50 PM:

thanks Andrew and Alan. [Smile]

The Beaulieu is now on hold.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on November 12, 2016, 01:04 PM:

Quality sells itself, a beauty. The new owner will be very pleased, santa has come early, YO HO HO.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 13, 2016, 05:40 PM:

Happy Days Mate! [Wink]

https://vimeo.com/179453269

https://vimeo.com/189454740

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on November 14, 2016, 10:49 AM:

Alessandro, you have a new PM, Del.

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 14, 2016, 04:33 PM:

The Beaulieu is still available for selling.
thanks

[ November 15, 2016, 03:33 AM: Message edited by: Alessandro Pavoni ]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 14, 2016, 09:20 PM:

Mmmm. Tempting, very tempting! 😁😆

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on November 14, 2016, 10:35 PM:

I take it to be the latter of versions, according to the slider knobs. Does it have an original box or the flight case with it?

Buy it Andrew, before I have to...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 15, 2016, 01:39 AM:

Around 1984 I believe Steven, a little later than the earliest Stereo models but not as late as the Studio models of course.

Whether yours is from 80 - 81 or even 84, nowadays it is pretty much immaterial really given that even this Beautiful model is most likely 32yrs old now!

These things mattered in the early years after release, but just like classic cars, only makes them more special now when looked after as well as this particular example clearly has.

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on November 15, 2016, 03:34 AM:

Whoever buys it, I wish them the best of luck with it, I'm gutted but it was obviously not meant to be. Customs charges did for me, it was going to bump the price up to at least £1300.00 and with what I have coming this week and Blackpool on Sunday, it was just too much.

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 15, 2016, 03:38 AM:

Yes, Andrew, is around 1983-1984, I do not have the original packaging and also no flight case.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 15, 2016, 04:19 AM:

It's a real shame Del that something like import duty should be the only obstacle standing between you and this superb machine.
If only it could have been avoided. At £200-300 to import here, this factor does have to be one to which anyone is forced into having to give due diligence to sadly, myself included as it amounts to an extra 20% on the cost minimum.

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on November 15, 2016, 06:50 AM:

Same day return flight Manchester to Zürich is half the import duty! If I really wanted it I'd go and collect it 😉

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 15, 2016, 11:38 AM:

and put it where Ricky? Not the sort of thing to place overhead cabin locker.

I doubt it would fit anyhow. No bag for it to fit in, no case.

Then how, Prey tell?

Posted by Alexander Vandeputte (Member # 1803) on November 15, 2016, 12:01 PM:

I think it could work as carry on luggage, since I think this projector fits my carry on suitcase that I use all the time...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 15, 2016, 12:58 PM:

But it would have to lie on its back in the cabin stowaway. Not something id be willing to do for an item as fragile and valuable as this.

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on November 15, 2016, 01:03 PM:

what about the weight of it, it would weigh a ton, anyway I checked out flights and couldn't find anything under £250.00 same day return, on top of that you have petrol and parking expenses, plus food, drink, cheaper to pay customs charges [Frown]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 15, 2016, 03:10 PM:

These weigh the best part of 14kg.
Whichever way they are transported, great great care HAS to be taken at all times.

They are no different to many other projectors from this era in so much as, they are designed with one very large main ciruit board for the amplifiers sat in the base of these units.

This means, with all these highly delicate electronic components being suspended on a mica circuit board of quite a large area, the slightest of poor handling techniques or a fall from any height even when surrounded by styrofoam, can lead to damage / cracking of this circuit board.

Very very risky to transport overseas without using the same method as Ian used to use.
He wrapped the whole boxed unit into a much much bigger outer box with a single duvet sandwiching the whole thing.
Often the finished packaging could be the size of a washing machine being delivered! 😆😆😀

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on November 15, 2016, 06:58 PM:

Pm sent.

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on November 16, 2016, 04:01 AM:

Not that I really care or need to justify my post... it was just an idea!!!

However, yesterday lunchtime last minute flights online were £155 same day return.

You carry it on! I've done it in the past from Bulgaria (before they joined the EU) with a GS1200 and it was a breeze, you just need the balls to do it!!

Good luck with selling your fine machine Alessandro, I let mine go to a new home some years ago...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 16, 2016, 04:20 AM:

Balls wouldn't come into it Ricky with one of these. It's the wrong shape and size to fit into the overhead locker space standing up, that's all.

Lie it on it's back, there is a good chance you would damage the rear cover at some point within the flight.

Anyhow, either way, it isn't something I personally would be prepared to risk after shelling out £1200+ (if you include flight etc) to acquire this beautiful machine.

As it is, there isn't even a mark on it.

Just thinking it through....

The plane banks once, and someone has the job of explaining why a two stone solid metal object has just flew out of a cabin locker and landed on some poor souls noggin sat in the opposite isle!!

No thanks!! 😂😂😂

[ November 16, 2016, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on November 16, 2016, 05:08 AM:

I wish someone would hurry up and buy this wonderful machine and put me out of my misery, Alan maybe ?????????

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 16, 2016, 05:09 AM:

Hopefully Del. [Smile]

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 17, 2016, 05:07 AM:

Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on November 17, 2016, 09:06 AM:

quote:
I wish someone would hurry up and buy this wonderful machine and put me out of my misery, Alan maybe ?????????

No matter how tempting a sale, there is risk getting it here in one piece.

The Beaulieu is easily one of my best and most enjoyable performers. Most all my projectors were sourced from the other side of the pond. Even when packaged properly and shipped express ( 2nd day ) my track recored has been 50% the package will be miss handled and the content will suffer some sort of damage.

This offering peaks my interest but it would serve as a back up or parts machine to my HTI 708. The projector looks to be in the very best condition and deserves to be in the hands of someone who will use it and enjoy it. I am puzzled it has not sold yet... come on guys, someone buy this fine machine!!

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 17, 2016, 10:29 AM:

I was just this minute speaking with my dear friend Mr Parsons about many different technical matters surrounding the hobby, but in passing I was saying the very same things as you just have there Alan regarding this machine.

If it was not Christmas next month and if it could be sent the way I described earlier, a method I associate with another good good friend in this hobby, Ian, then I would have purchased it already by now.

It is an absolute beauty by the looks of things and far far too good to be kept only as a spares machine.

I have invested heavily this year already in brand new Beaulieu spare parts before they disappear forever sadly and I have just very recently purchased another spare machine myself.
Otherwise I would have certainly been forced into buying it.

Whoever finally takes the plunge with this one, will surely never be disappointed so long as it arrives in the very state you are seeing it in now! [Wink]

Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on November 17, 2016, 11:05 AM:

quote:
forced into buying it

Andrew without knowing it you just gave everyone the perfect excuse ( for those with a spouse) to justify their next purchase. [Smile]

Disclaimer: Using this line may result being kicked to the couch [Eek!]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 17, 2016, 11:10 AM:

Some things in life Alan, are just too good to resist...and this is one of them!
Hence the use of the word "forced"

It's mental torture to me to see this sat here in waiting.
Its like Kate Middleton without a Prince on her arm! [Big Grin]

Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on November 18, 2016, 04:10 AM:

It may well cost less to simply ask Alessandro how much he would charge you to drive 'over the border' into France, Germany or Italy and post the parcel from there, thus saving on export / import paperwork and Customs duties V.A.T. etc.

Kevin

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 05:22 AM:

Yes Kevin.it really all does depend on what lengths both buyer and seller would be willing to go outside of getting another "local" sale.

I don't believe I hear of too many collectors from Switzerland these days but there must still be a few I suppose.

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 18, 2016, 01:16 PM:

Hi Andrew, Iin Switzerland we are few, I have a dear friend who at the end of September has the only public cinema Super 8/16 mm,
Hall of 24 seats with the possibility with a stage for theater and readings , 3 weekly projections, even theater pieces and readings.
I want to ask him if I can put some pictures.

Andrew like you said, the shipment of Beaulieu makes me a little anxious, I would not That a marvelous machine went to pieces. I have sent some projektor und never have had some troubles. I always do as you say two packages.
But It is always a risk.

I'm thinking seriously to propose the buyer to come to my house for pickup, however, I realize that it is quite almost impossible that happen.

Kevin, I thought the expedition from the border, however, I must say that is the risk of being stopped at customs and having to also pay duties and taxes.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 18, 2016, 01:25 PM:

Is nobody interested in it from your homeland Alessandro?

It really should never have sat in waiting for a new owner this long.

Maybe the timing of the sale has not helped here so close to Christmas.

If I'd have known about the possibility of this machine becoming available for sale a few months back, then it would have fit the bill perfectly.

As it is, I've spent considerably more than this is on brand new spares and another machine in recent times.

I hope it sells soon now for you though Alessandro.
As said, no one involved in S8 could wish for more!

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on November 30, 2016, 10:40 AM:

Hi Del, I have sent you a PM. Thanks for looking.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on November 30, 2016, 08:01 PM:

Maybe this could be coming my way by mid January now seeing as no one else seems to want to chance it due to transit issues??

Here's hoping [Smile]

[ December 01, 2016, 05:36 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Ali Hipperson (Member # 5643) on December 01, 2016, 05:21 AM:

Good-grief Andrew - with shifts like those, there really is no 'peace for the hard-working'! [Frown]

But at least it should put you firmly on the moral high ground (with anyone) should you finally succumb and make the acquisition in the New Year! [Wink]

Ali.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on December 01, 2016, 05:33 AM:

Alessandro has informed me he has a buyer thankfully now for his superb machine.

I am extremely pleased for both him and its new owner.
Someone, completely unbeknown to me, is going to have a very merry Christmas!

Well done that man! [Smile]

Posted by Alessandro Pavoni (Member # 1739) on December 01, 2016, 12:28 PM:

Sold.
and they lived happily forever..................... [Smile]

Thank you all for participating in this wonderful topic.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 28, 2017, 06:32 PM:

Let's remind ourselves of that famous line one more time...

"Quality Sells itself, a real beauty. The new owner will be very pleased."

Mmmm,.. "Quality sells.." or on a different day, "An Over Engineered Machine That Will Need All Of The Help It Can Get For The Future?"

And I am the guy who speaks rubbish apparently!

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on March 01, 2017, 01:40 AM:

Yes Andrew and your speaking it again,

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 01, 2017, 03:47 AM:

Unbelievable! [Big Grin]

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on March 01, 2017, 04:08 AM:

It's a cheap shot Andrew, it won't work with me, you might be able to bully people on another forum to throw in the towel, not with me, I stick by what I said on both occasions, even if have to dig up old threads to back up some kind of argument. How long did you look for that, you are sad, you need to get out more, I think watching all those Disney films has gone to your head.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 01, 2017, 04:17 AM:

I revisit many an old thread Paul on many an occasion. I also tend to remember what has been said by the respected members of our forums Paul.

Therefore upon realizing I knew I had heard two completely different opinions of yours on these machines,I was more than a little surprised given your knowledge and experience in the hobby.

I am neither a bully or a person who condones this kind of behaviour BY anybody TO anybody and just to put your mind at rest Paul, we are out this evening thanks,at a show in the city centre, otherwise, as I'd have been able to get a ticket for this one,...I'd have been at the Etihad.

As said, I was just a little surprised at the somewhat contradictory statement recently given your excellent knowledge and experience in the hobby, that's all.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on March 01, 2017, 11:15 AM:

I don't go back over old statements to dig up subjects, but to understand what I said, there is at least 3 month's difference between the two, and wittners statement about the parts for these had not been announced, I'm sure you will check that though. The parts are now depleted to almost nothing, no doubt you have most of them, the second later statement refers to the fact if you want to keeps this projector working you will need find some ingenious ways to replace or repair, that includes the crap plastic hub, which is now 3 redesigns down the road, and the crap back cover, and if you look hard enough you find I have mentioned this too here somewhere. I am not like some on here who think they need to run an idea past you for approval, you are not my mentor, or any kind expert, just a self appointed one, a legend in your own lunchtime.

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 01, 2017, 11:55 AM:

If only the (relatively) new sales rules were in place back on November 2016.......

It is time to close this thread.

Doug

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