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David Pannell
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posted April 26, 2005 11:57 AM

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Well, the projector did arrive today, but what a disappointment! [Mad]

[Mad]

Although well used and obviously maintained mechanically, the appearance and cosmetics leave a lot to be desired, at least, in my book. These are things like many scratches and worn paint on the body and case, knob bezels dented or missing etc. etc. I have complained to the seller as none of this was visible on any of the photos.

I am now seriously considering hedging my bets, [Eek!]

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, so to speak, regarding the other similar machine now on ebay. I have asked the question about condition, but have not yet received a reply.

Out of 150 odd eBay deals, this is the first real disappointment. I may now decide to stick with silent projection for Standard 8 instead, unless anyone in the Forum knows of, or can recommend a Standard 8 only sound machine.

Meanwhile, I'm considering binning this sh..ty looking piece of kit. Its embarrassing [Embarrassed]

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to look at!

We can all make mistakes, especially on eBay, and unfortunately for me this was one of them.

"Take care out there"

Dave.

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Gary Crawford
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posted April 26, 2005 01:34 PM

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I was sorry to hear about your disappointment in the appearance of that Mark S.....but I was just wondering if you are more concerned about appearances than actually using the projector to show films....which is what most of us use them for. Some of my projectors have been dinged up over the years...but they still run my films beautifully and are a source of great pleasure. Those Mark S machines are quite old...I bought mine back in 1965 , I believe. It received its share of bumps and bangs....but was one of the best 8mm projectors I ever owned. If it runs films in good order without scratching them, that's a great thing. I ran mine so much....millions of feet of film..that it finaly literally wore out..the rubber on the power disc just was worn down to where it wouldn't keep speed . But a great heavy duty, easy threading machine. Good luck in your hunt for a better machine. I currently use the Eumig 810-d's for standard 8mm and have had no trouble with them and both of them I've gotten off Ebay have been almost mint in appearance.

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Tom Photiou
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posted April 26, 2005 01:41 PM

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I have to honest and say that Eumigs do come up quite often on the Perry's,Paul foster and Derann lists so why not purchase one from them? The Prices of Eumigs are usually pretty resonable and your more or less going to be sure of getting a reasonable one.
I look at e bay and i'm aware some people get a bargin but in know many more who have been let down. [Mad]

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David Pannell
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posted April 26, 2005 02:43 PM

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Thanks for your encouragement, gentlemen.

I guess it was a bit of a "knee-jerk" reaction. Of course I realise that the machine is not just for looking at for its own sake, but I do take pride in my equipment, whatever it is, and I am surprised at those who don't.

I have lots of sophisticated test equipment and instruments for my business which have to be kept calibrated and treated well, as they are so expensive to replace, and I gues I have tended to apply this philosophy to most things. Don't get me wrong, I don't treat them with kid gloves or make a god of them - I just think they ought to be treated with respect.

Anyway, enough of my bleeting, just had to get it off my chest - thanks for listening. Naturally I'll advise of any further progress.

Dave.

P.S.

Well! I have to admit, perhaps not so bad after all. Having spent most of the evening cleaning her up, a definite improvement has been achieved.

ROB, Please, I would still like to accept your offer of the replacement badge, and, if you can spare it, the front elevation knob complete with the chrome insert, if that's OK. Many , many thanks.

D.

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Tony Milman
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posted April 26, 2005 04:08 PM

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David,

I am with you. There is nothing better than a nice machine that looks good and functions well. Mike takes it one step further and goes for a quality box too

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Mike Peckham
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posted April 26, 2005 04:34 PM

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Oi, Tony! Nothing wrong with getting a piece of equipment in its original packaging [Wink]

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David I do understand how you feel. I too love the eqipment associated with our hobby and take great pride in keeping it in as close to original condition as possible. I think it's a boy thing. Speaking of which, I did a film show for some friends at Christmas time, it was mostly to entertain a whole bunch of children and what was noticable was that the majority of the girls sat at the front and watched the film whilst several of the boys sat at or near the back and spent as much time looking at the projector as they did the screen.

Funnily enough, several of the Dads also hung around the projector and commented on all the things that I love about it - the way it looked, the way it sounded and even the smell of the cooling air coming out of the grill on the back!

Definitely a boys thing [Roll Eyes]

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted April 26, 2005 04:47 PM

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Ok Mike, now admit that you also had a couple of pork chops sitting over the lamp house vents [Big Grin]

[Big Grin]

PS I hope you guys didnt mind me moving this thread to the 8mm forum instead of the sale/trade forum which is for your selling and buying deals

Kev. [Wink]

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Mike Peckham
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posted April 26, 2005 05:07 PM

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Not that I want to give people the impression that I have a smell fetish [it's bad enough admitting to a passion for original packaging [Roll Eyes]

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] but there is something satisfying about the smell of warm electronics just as there is when in the old days, before cars were reliable, I used to open up the bonnet of my car to have a look at the engine during a break at a motorway service station.

If everything was as it should be the engine had that wonderful smell of nicely tuned mechanics and it always sounded so much nicer when it was thorouoghly warmed up, just purring away.

I was doing some transfers to Video at the weekend for a friend, using my Elmo GP Hi-Deluxe and it was great to see it and hear it purring away, it sounded so much quieter and smoother after it had been running on and off for an hour or so, which probably goes to show that our projectors like to be used an not stored away.

Something very special about well engineered equipment.

Mike

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Paul Adsett
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posted April 26, 2005 05:59 PM

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I totally agree with you Mike- maintaining your projectors in mint appearance and running condition is one of the most satisfying parts of this hobby. I have many projectors, and I have made sure to keep them all running perfectly and looking great. Most of them are on display in my Home cinema, where they get lots of comments and attention from visitors.
Talking of great smells from projectors, the best that I can ever remember was the wonderful mixture of hot paint and red hot ceramic from the step down resistor of the hand cranked Pathe Ace! [Smile]

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My Panny 700 VP, even though its a great projector, has no smell at all - must have built in Japanese deoderant! [Big Grin]

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Jan Bister
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posted April 26, 2005 06:36 PM

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I don't have much to add to this thread except I enjoyed reading every post in it and can only agree with all the sentiments being expressed [Smile]

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I suppose I, too, have a bit of a smell fetish (on top of being mesmerized by those big reels slowly turning...) - nothing like warm air blowing out of the projector and spreading that film-rubber-motor-grease-plastic-and-magnetic-oxide-sound-stripe smell throughout the room. [Big Grin]

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David Pannell
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posted April 27, 2005 01:07 AM

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ABSOLUTELY, CHAPS! You have voiced my sentiments precisely.

Aahhh! I've come home at last!! [Big Grin]

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Thank you all so much.

Dave.

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Rob Koeling
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posted April 27, 2005 06:56 AM

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Hi David,

Sorry to hear that the machine was in such a sorry state. My old machine isn't cosmetically in the best state. It came from a charity shop. It didn't have the speaker/lid and was well used. But it was just such a reliable runner. I've always been very happy with it. I've got a machine for spares coming. Mike is spring cleaning and wants to get rid of his (noisy) Mark-S. With two machines for spares, I'm sure we can get two projectors both running and in decent cosmetic condition. I'm very much used to my Mark-S being a bit on the scruffy side, so, as long as I can get a machine in proper running condition, you can have the first choice for projector housing. I'll let you know when I have the spare projectors and maybe we should meet up to sort things out.

Mike, if you fancy the smell of projectors, it might not be a good idea to get rid of the Mark-S. I think it is my best smelling projector. Electronic equipment of the 50's and 60's smells a lot better the more recent stuff. Especially when they haven't been used for a while and are nice and dusty. But that might just be me...

- Rob

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Alan Rik
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posted April 27, 2005 08:20 AM

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I once put on Ebay an Elmo ST1200D that smelled...a little strange! I didn't know what the smell was but I sold it as is with no reserve.
Well once the machine was received by the customer he was very irate. He told me that he knew it had seen some use, which it had, but he never expected there to be ROACH sacks inside it!
He said these little pill sacks were in the corners on the inside of the machine. I saw them but thought they were dirt. Then he asked me why I didn't tell him about the smell...well to tell the truth.. I didn't think it was important to say, "Great machine, 100% working with funny smell!"
So the moral of this story is don't pick up any projectors from Hawaii! (Thats where this beauty came from!)

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David Pannell
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posted April 28, 2005 04:51 AM

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Thanks to all for continuing this thread. It's been very interesting to hear everyone's views and experiences.

Sorry about the category, Kev. [Embarrassed]

[Embarrassed]

Guess we all got a bit carried away. Thanks for being alert and spotting it. This is what a Moderator is for, amongst other things. Well done! [Smile]

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Best,

Dave.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted April 28, 2005 12:30 PM

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Mark,
I have a dual guage Eumig that I'll probably be selling a bit later this year. Very nice condition, still in original box and with instruction booklet. I've owned a few different Eumigs and I've only just remembered that this one is a Mark S. I have not decided on a price but it will probably be around £65-70. If you would be interested, let me know. I can tell you more and give you the first option on it.
Adrian

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Tom Photiou
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posted May 01, 2005 01:18 PM

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Hope it comes with a nice smell. [Big Grin]

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Can anyone make an air freshner spray with the smell of a working jeckie??

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