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Topic: What's wrong with 8mm Italian prints?
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted May 28, 2005 06:31 PM
This is probably a naive question, but since I am new to the forum, I believe someone could answer my question.
I am now trying to add my collections through buying items from Ebay (my previus posts had indicated this). While I was lookig at UK German and US Ebay site the prices are just normal for 8mm price.But when I was searching at Italy (and also Spain) site the prices were much lower.
For example this full feature (5 x 400") was sold for only 15.50 EUR (approx. US$22) http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1476&item=6394555581
Another full feauture http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1476&item=6393582631 (4 x 400) was sold for only 11.50 EUR
http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1476&item=6394553130 was sold for15.50 EUR
In Spain site:
There were 3 parter of the Longest Yard from Marketing Film (which is my favorite company due to it tickness to the film packaging) http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60771&item=6395622172 was sold for 13.20 EUR
and another example:
Super 8 Frontier Horizon. John Wayne 3x400 http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60771&item=6395278544& was sold for 10.60 EUR
I belive in UK and US, these kind of movies will be sold for above US$30
So from those above examples, why in the these two countries 8mm much much cheaper.
1. Is this because of color and print quality in this two countries were sub standard? (Which I don't believe for the case of Marketing Film release above)
2. Is this because of dubbed version in their language, which did not attract other English speaking countries? (Some titles were actually English movie which people can re-record it like people do to the German releases)
3. Cost of shipping? (it may be true, but based on the above sold prices, shipping cost definetly will not be substantial)
4. Or it was just not my day to bid it and my badluck?
Could someone give me a direction, so I wil decide it whether or not buying item from Italy and Spain. I have friends in these countries who can pool the items for me.
Thanks,
winbert
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Andreas Eggeling
Master Film Handler
Posts: 467
From: R.I.P.
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted May 29, 2005 06:44 AM
Hi,
The average print, made in Spain or Italy, have the same quality like prints from France, Germany, U.K. or U.S.A.
The worst offical prints I know are from Buck, Slough.
The four parters of "El Cid", "55 Days at Peking", "Circus World" and "Fall of the Roman Empire". All these prints are
very bad. Movies from the Mars? Ask me what happened in the lab, because their work for Disney or Derann was very good.
Have also prints from spanish 8mm companies. The quality is similar like prints from marketing film. Official prints from Italy are also very good. For example "Sandokan" with Kabri Bedi.
Still in stunning color and very good sharpness...... but bootlegs from the 70s are sometimes very bad. No color, no sharpness.
Here is a link to an italian page to check out which titles in Italy are ciculating and how the quality of them is.
==> http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/super8mania/Database/indice%20database.htm
Andreas
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Fabrizio Mosca
Master Film Handler
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From: Milano, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted May 31, 2005 06:49 AM
Unfortunately the majority of italian prints were made by pirates. Except of some specific cases, the master used for printing those copies was a 35mm "borrowed" for only one night from a theathre and used to print an internegative. In this case, the master suffered of all the problems arising from hours of projection and, for the 'scope prints, no accuracy were taken to get an internegative of good quality.
This is the situation for the majority of cases, but there were specific titles, made by pirates in a limited number of copy that are excellent even after 30 or more years.
Regarding official distribution companies, not all of the titles printed have now good quality, many times the copies are shifted to red.
Last but not least, most of the copies that you see on ebay, come from renting shops and may have lot of splices or problem in sound.
Fabrizio
PS: sorry for my english....
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Fabrizio Mosca
Master Film Handler
Posts: 346
From: Milano, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted June 02, 2005 04:01 AM
Kevin, not all the italian disneys are in bad conditions. Some titles were printed directly from the tech 16mm copies and are still now in very good conditions.
I have Snow White and Peter Pan and the colours are wonderful, even if the print is, in some places, with white dots, mainly due to problem in printing and not from the copies used.
Of course they're not on derann or chc level, but they give exactly the same feeling of the copies of the '70ies.
Winbert, in Italy Pirates made more than 60% of the full lenght features and they were sold in normal shops. Only in very few cases official distribution companies tried to return and destroy pirate copies, one of it was Pinocchio by Comencini, but in the other cases nothing happened.
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which is a shame because it was a title I was really after because Derann never released this one and I now have virtually all the Disney features which have been released.![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Andreas also pointed out that Technofilm releases have quite good image stability which pirated films tend to not have. Anyway, I stand corrected, and ashamed too ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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