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Paul Adsett
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Lady and the Tramp
Walt Disney, Color, CinemaScope
90 mins, 1600ft
Available from Derann

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Lady and the Tramp was Disney's first CinemaScope animated feature film. A charming story about the adventures and romance of a couple of dogs, and their four footed friends, set in an idyllic American small town. The film is sheer joy from the first frame to the last, with the dogs encountering all sorts of characters such as a pair of siamese cats, a beaver, and animals at the zoo. Some of the songs in the film have become classics, such as 'Bella Norte', where Lady and the Tramp are serenaded by Tony and Butch at the Italian restaurant, while nibbling on spaghetti and meat balls! The song 'He's a Tramp', set at a dog pound and sung by Peggy Lee, is hilarious.
Derann's Disney prints are legendary for their superb quality, and this movie is no exception, with needle sharp focus, and bright vibrant colors on every single frame. What is it about Disney films on super 8, that makes them look so much better than on video or DVD? The thing that sets this film apart from all the other Derann Disney releases, is that this is a Cinemascope anamorphic print. And it looks stunning on an 8ft screen. Forget DVD or that 50 ins plasma- this film is made to show on a movie projector on a big screen.
The sound track is recorded in stereo, and it is quite good. But I took the time to re-record my film from the DVD, and got an awesome stereo track with superb spacial effect.

Print: A++ (CinemaScope print, requires 2x anamorphic lens)
Sound: A (SUPPLIED IN STEREO)

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John Clancy
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Funnily enough I only ran this very title a couple of weeks ago when finalizing the next 'history of the package movie' article for 'smallformat'. It is indeed a wonderful print and like many of the Derann Disney releases, knocks spots off your video projected effort.

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Andrew Wilson
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There's still life in the old format yet!That is great news and a great view Paul;of disney's classic.Good comments from John too!.
Keep it up guys.This is still the greatest format of them all.Andy.

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John Clancy
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And if you want to see something even better, stick 'Beauty and the Beast' up on the 8mm screen. Then take a look at a DVD of 'Polar Express'. The difference is amazing. Although they must have messed up the transfer of Polar Express in some way. I would have thought a film that was screened at Imax theatres would have been better quality than that.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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John, it's hard to compare apples and oranges.
Beauty and the Beast is a true classic.
Polar Express is a bad, ugly flick, boring to the extreme, too sweet that it shouldn't be recommended to people suffering from diabetes and featuring characters so alive that the whole bloody thing feels like The Night of the Living Dead Before Christmas. Yuk, yuk, yuk. And I don't blame that on CG... I love CG.

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John Clancy
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errrrrrrm.

Fair enough [Smile]

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Steve Klare
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A Little OT:

There's something about "Polar Express" that makes people either love it or hate it! I've read many opinions of it similar to Jean-Marc's, so even though I loved the thing, I'll have to admit it seems to bother a lot of people.

The CG animation technique is unconventional, and I guess that is part of the whole "Night of the Living Dead" phenomenon. It's basically using the computer to "re-skin" living actors. I've seen the word "creepy" used to describe this movie more than once.

To me the beauty of it really comes out when you see the illustrated book it's based upon. It's as if the pictures have leaped off the page and come to life!

Sacharine? Well, there you've got me! I suppose if this was anything else than a Christmas movie, it probably would be nauseating! It is a sentimental time, and I guess that eases it down!

Last winter, my kid proved that DVDs don't wear out with this one. Good thing I don't mind it: every last frame is seared into my brain!

A Merry, Zombie, Christmas to all! "Brrrraaains....Goooood!!"

PS: Excellent reviews, Paul. Please keep 'em coming!

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Good input, Steve. The technic has been around for a while, and was applied recently with great talent to "Monster House", which I would call a true intelligent family horror film (and it was also produced by Zemekis...)
Sorry for the OT, Paul...

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Paul

Another great review, I'm tempted to see if Derann still stock this title, maybe an early Christmas present to myself... [Roll Eyes]

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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I'm thinking to do the same you were thinking about with this classic, Mike. A present to myself (Christmas?).
Excellent review, Paul.

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Paul Adsett
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Gian,
You will be thrilled with this Derann print - one of the best I have ever seen on Super 8. Awesome quality from start to finish, and the film itself is, of course, one of Walt's very best.

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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Paul, how are you?
I was waiting for a used copy. But it is taking so long... So I'll surely buy a brand new one.
Thanks for telling me: a lot of collectors told me the same. Cannot wait to have and screen it.
Take care.

GIAN
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Ok Gian Hurry then you have this one before Christmas,i have this one too and i love it so much...... [Wink]

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I agree. I have both Beauty and Lady and they are both excellent prints. I would probably on balance agree also that the Beauty print is slightly better. But then my copy of Aladdin is also quite special.
I was thinking about selling them but I somehow don't think I can despite the fact they may only get one run a year. If I do I will list here first

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Tony,

think about me if you decide to sell LADY AND THE TRAMP. I wouldn't buy it brand new (and than having to say 'no' to a used copy, if coming).
Of course ONLY if you decide to do it.

[Wink]
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I hope that Tony will sell his Lady and the tramp to you,i know you're searching for it a very long time.
I know this print is in good hands by you,a real seller like me! [Smile]

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Hi Jeroen. Thanks for your wishes. I will let you know!

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Hello Tony.
How are you? A friend of mine asked me today if I want his copy of LADY AND THE TRAMP. Considering you were thinking to sell yours, I'd like to know if you still have this idea. If not, I will accept the print that was offered to me. Will you please let me know? Thanks a lot. Take care.

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My god!two offers,sometimes you have all the luck!

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Hi Jeroen. As I wrote in the other post, let's see if Tony will sell his copy. If not, I accept Ago's one. Take care, my dear friend. I hope all is good with you.
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Paul ...

Could you, perchance, give us a report on the grain, any overly bright sections, difference between definition between daylight and night-time scenes. I know that Derann has been largely reliable in these areas, but I have thought of tracking down this print for some time, and I am curious.

Did you find the sound-stripe to be very good through out what kind of was it? The brown stripe or the dark black stripe? I ask as, if I get one of these, what levels should be planned for the different stripes.

Thanks Paul!

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Osi,
The scope print quality is just superb on every reel. There just are not any overly dark are overly light sections anywhere. The day scenes are beautifully bright with rich vivid color, and the night scenes, although obviously more subdued, still seem to show every detail and still with great looking rich color. The whole print is extremely sharp and the color seems to be 'full spectrum' Technicolor throughout - none of that bluish tint that you see on a lot of super 8 prints these days.
The stripe is black/grey. I did a stereo re-record using my trusty Eumig 938 and got a great recording on both tracks, with extraordinary clarity, depth, and separation - you could not wish for better. I did not detect any drop out, even on the balance stripe.
So, at least on my print, Derann got everything absolutely perfect. Watching this print in scope and stereo on a 9ft scope screen is sheer joy, and yes it is better than watching it on projected DVD! [Smile]

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Thanks Paul!

I don't doubt for a moment that it's better off the Derann print.
Though I've always been stunned by optical Super 8's , I have been equally stunned by the Derann prints. I wonder if Super 8 would have still died as it did, in such a dramatic manner, if this quality had been around back then, (as a general rule).

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I think Super 8 declined because magnetic video was so much cheaper - pure and simple. I do'nt believe picture quality even figured into it, if it had everyone would still be filming on super 8mm. The masses wanted cheap, instant pictures, and PQ took a back seat. As far as film collecting is concerned it was no contest for most people. A full length feature film on VHS tape for $15.00 versus a 20 minute S8 digest for $50.00, or a full length super 8 print for about $300.00.

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True ... quite true. [Big Grin]

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