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Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on January 21, 2004, 02:32 PM:
 
Hello

Some of you will remember that on the old forum we had a thread like this where we listed all the optical prints that people were aware had been released and found their way into the collectors market. As that list is lost now [Frown] I thought I might have a go at re-creating it, I have compiled the following one from all the prints I could see on dealers lists, in my collection or from memory.

Last time I think we got up to over 40 so it's over to you guys to add some more..... [Wink]

Mike

1. A fish Called Wanda
2. A Man, A Woman, And A Bank
3. A Matter of Time
4. Across the Great Divide
5. Broadway Danny Rose
5. City Heat
7. Claras Heart
8. Conduct Unbecoming
9. Crocodile Dundee
10. Death on the Nile
11. Dr No
12. Doctor Moreau
13. Finders Keepers
14. Footloose
15. Force Ten From Navarone
16. From Russia withLove
17. Futureworld
18. Ghostbusters
19. Gray Eagle
20. Greystoke Lord of the Jungle
21. How to beat the high cost of living
22. Ice Pirates
23. Just You and Me
24. Lady in Red
25. Land That Time Forgot
26. Lethal Weapon
27. Little Shop of Horrors
28. Live a little steal a lot
29. Lone Wolf McQuade
30. Memories of me
31. On Golden Pond
32. Over The Top
33. Pale Rider
34. Prototype
35. Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins
36. Rising Damp
37. Romance of the Horse Thief
38. Sacred Ground
39. Shout at the Devil
40. Something Short Of Paradise
41. Spaceballs
42. Speed Fever
43. Splash
44. Sudden Impact
45. The Bounty
46. The Dreamer
47. The French lieutenants Woman
48. The Go-between
49. The Interncine
50. The Osterman Weekend
51. The Purple Rose of Cairo
52. The Thirty Nine Steps
53. Thunderball
34. Trail of the Pink Panther
55. Where Eagles Dare
56. Zorro The Gay Blade

[ August 02, 2005, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Kevin Faulkner ]
 
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on January 21, 2004, 03:25 PM:
 
Memories of me is currently on ebay on offer by Bolex 3 and it says Optical

What about Optical trailers/cartoons?

Tony
 
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on January 21, 2004, 03:30 PM:
 
Mike, have you forgotten already, [Confused] "Rising Damp" [Wink]
 
Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on January 21, 2004, 03:35 PM:
 
Chris! I'm so sorry, how cold I forget Rising Damp after all the nice things I said about your print at the Lightwater mini cine fest [Roll Eyes]

It will be included with the first re-edit along with Memories of me, thanks Tony [Smile] I suppose we could broaden this to include shorts and trailers, might be better though to make those the subject of a second list, you know how I like to keep things in boxes [Wink]

Mike
 
Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on January 21, 2004, 05:44 PM:
 
You may add the Eastwood/Reynolds effort 'City Heat'
 
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on January 21, 2004, 07:13 PM:
 
I have The Island Of Doctor Moreau in Optical. The 1970's version with Burt Landcaster. Also, A Man, A Woman, And A Bank in Optical.

Dan
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on January 21, 2004, 08:32 PM:
 
Hello Mike,
Let's add:
Force Ten From Navarone
A Matter of Time
Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins
Futureworld
Footloose
Land That Time Forgot
Pale Rider
Sudden Impact
Crocodile Dundee
Revenge of the Pink Panther
 
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on January 22, 2004, 12:31 AM:
 
Why did studios even manufacture magnetic sound film if optical was an option in the first place?
 
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on January 22, 2004, 01:27 AM:
 
Mike

Was Lady in Red an optical?

Tony
 
Posted by Trevor Adams (Member # 42) on January 22, 2004, 03:46 AM:
 
Speed Fever-Robert Hardy
Trev
 
Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on January 22, 2004, 04:24 AM:
 
Brad, the sound quality of stripe is (potentially) better than optical sound on 8mm.I think Kev explained why on another thread.
I suppose that adding sound to home movies was not practical using the optical method.
Mal
 
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on January 22, 2004, 05:57 AM:
 
Yes Tony she was on Optical and the copy I had WAS RED!

Kev.
 
Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on January 22, 2004, 12:24 PM:
 
Thanks Lads.

I've added your contributions in, as you will see we are back up to 43 which I'm pretty sure is how many we came up with on the old forum [Smile] .

Some of the titles above I have never seen appearing on the lists so they must be quite rare, hard to find but worth having.

So, are there any that we have forgotten. Anyone?

Mike
 
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on January 22, 2004, 03:21 PM:
 
Hello all, i'll just add a title i own to your list.

The Bounty.(Mel Gibson, Antony Hopkins)supplied on 4x600

Although we know these were airline prints etc etc, does anyone know why the airline prints were optical instead of the common and well proven magnetic stripe?
Although optical sound is pretty good unless you have a good machine, namely a GS i've always thought the sound to be a little inferior.
 
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on January 22, 2004, 04:21 PM:
 
Hi Mike,

I have two Woody Allen Features:
Broadway Danny Rose,
The Purple Rose of Cairo.

As well as, John Wayne in Stagecoach

A friend once told me about the film:
The Man Who Would Be King, was optical.

Optical prints advertising General Motors
brand name cars in America were also used in
Dealerships for training and selling automobiles.

I had two 10 minute shorts
featuring this a while back.

Cartoons had also been printed in
Regular 8 Optical as well.

Best Regards,
Michael
 
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on July 24, 2005, 05:51 PM:
 
Just came across this thread while doing a forum search, and noticed no one has yet mentioned "Something Short Of Paradise" which was a full-length optical airline print. (I have it and will be shipping it to Dan Lail, incidentally.)

Also, how about - since airline prints have been showing up on eBay lately - doing a search for completed items (I think the seller is the same for all these films) and adding any films not yet on the list? [Smile]
 
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on July 24, 2005, 06:14 PM:
 
"Over the Top" with Sylvester Stallone! Sold as an ex-airline by Derann in 1987. Absolutely cracking print, absolutely crap film (produced by Cannon under the guise of Golan-Globus, remember them?)

The first feature I ever bought, priced £49.99!

Disney did some of their 200ft versions with English optical. I once rented the Sleeping Beauty extract "The Prince and the Dragon" in original Disney box with optical track. Wonder why they bothered??? Anyone know? Mind you, the optical sound was superb!
 
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on July 24, 2005, 06:24 PM:
 
I too have a 200 ft extract from Bambi with optical sound as well as a 200ft extract from Herbie Rides Again. I have a number of the Pathe Pictorials which were put out by Dearnn with optical sound. A number of German titles were also released with Optical sound and one which I have been after for a long time was one called "DB" which was about the German Railways. I sold my copy many years ago but have since regretted doing so as the quality was stunning. It had a very sharp image and really fine film grain like so many of these optical sound prints.

Have just updated the list at the start of this thread.

Kev.
 
Posted by Barry Attwood (Member # 100) on July 25, 2005, 06:02 AM:
 
I've had many optical prints through my hands at one time and another, here's another 4 for you "Dr. No" (stunning print) & "Sacred Ground" western adventure, "Splash" (lovely Daryl Hannah") & "Ghostbusters".
 
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on July 25, 2005, 06:45 AM:
 
Out of curiosity, do we know how many films got the airline print treatment?
Mike, is your list compiling company releases only? I guess that if it was to include airline prints, it would be much longer, right?

JM
 
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on July 25, 2005, 08:37 AM:
 
Add 'Where Eagles Dare' to this list guys...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1476&item=6417696619&rd=1
 
Posted by Barry Attwood (Member # 100) on July 25, 2005, 10:23 AM:
 
Jean-Marc,

Virtually every "Top" film from the early 70's to the late 80's would have had optical prints made, either slightly edited for language or violence content, but as most collectors know, all these optical prints were supposed to be destroyed after their Airline run, but like everything, prints did get out, and this is why some unusual titles do crop up (did you know Derann were offered optical prints of "Die Hard" before they decided to release it).
 
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on July 25, 2005, 11:02 AM:
 
Tom, your question about why optical and not mag sound. I think it was down to the fact that haveing a mag stripe would not have allowed the Airline projector cartridges to hold so much film. As it is they used thin based stocks on all the prints I have seen so can only think that it was down to getting the max playing time possible without having huge carts to hold the film.
Barry is this correct?

Kev.
 
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 25, 2005, 11:25 AM:
 
Also, The English prints didnt have the final coating that the USA prints had,hence, why the English prints suffered from more pops and noises. Fotunatly, all 16mm prints in this country did.
How many of the optical prints still have good colour. I know C Dundee has and also Little shop of horrors.
 
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on July 25, 2005, 11:30 AM:
 
My prints of Little Shop of Horrors, Trail of the pink Panther, Zorro the Gay Blade and Rising Damp are still in excellent shape wih no signs of fade [Smile]

Kev.

[ August 02, 2005, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Kevin Faulkner ]
 
Posted by Barry Attwood (Member # 100) on July 25, 2005, 01:08 PM:
 
Dear Kevin,

Yes your right, the 8mm Airline cartridge could hold about 2 hours of optical film (Film like "Death On The Nile" Optical are slightly cut because of this), and if they used a striped film you would have cut that down by about 15-20 min with acetate stock and slightly less with polyester. Plus using optical soundtracks you had no magnetic head wear, no build up of mag stripe etc. which could effect picture and sound quality.

Another fine optical print is the 1980's remake of "The 39 Steps"
 
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on July 25, 2005, 01:12 PM:
 
Barry: thanks.
I also have "The Go-Between" by Joseph Losey. It's turned pinkinsh, though...

JM
 
Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on July 25, 2005, 01:36 PM:
 
Funny how this thread keeps coming back, I'm glad it does though because the whole Airline print thing fascinates me. Just when you think you have covered all the prints ever to make it on to the market, another one pops up. I have been looking for a long time for 'On Golden Pond' if any one comes across a copy for sale any where please let me know. I was also surprised to hear that Ghost Busters is around somewhere too, I shall be looking out for that one as well...

Derek Simmonds wrote about Airline Prints in the Winter 1998 issue of FFTC and as there seems so much interest in the subject I have taken the liberty of reproducing it here.

Full credit of course goes to the Late Great Derek Symmonds and the Film For The Collector Magazine.

quote:
A few years ago I was at Rank Film Labs in Denham, having gone there to collect some work they had produced for us. I was having a chat with Roy Hubbard, the manager of the department at that time, when a gentleman entered the room. He was introduced to me and it was explained that he worked for the company that provided 8mm optical prints for the airlines. This fascinated me, and being the film fanatic that I am, I wanted to know more. I stayed and talked with him for nearly two hours, and eventually he said “next time you’re down here, give me a ring and I will come and collect you and take you round our place”. I made sure that I visited the labs the next week, and before setting out I telephoned my new found friend. He promised to come along to the labs and we would then go on to his main depot. When I left the labs, following the car in front, I was more than a little surprised to find we were heading towards the Technicolor Labs, near Heathrow Airport. We swung through the main gates, drove round the main building and ended up at the rear of the labs. There I saw a sign SUNSTRAND, and it was then that I realised that this was the company that I had come to visit.

I was led into a small office, and told that most of the prints were printed at Technicolor Labs in New York, whilst Rank Labs also provided prints of their own titles and some of the British TV material, but it was explained that the airlines preferred the material that was printed in New York since Technicolor ‘coated’ the sound tracks and this rendered much better results.

If you compare an 8mm Optical Print made in the UK against an American print, you will note that the optical track is almost pure black and white, whereas the track on a British print is dark blue. This results in the British track giving a lower level of volume and certainly more track noise, hiss and plops. Rank would never give any reason for not coating the optical tracks on 8mm prints. I hasten to add, that all 16mm prints made by the lab at the lab at that time, were coated to give optimum performances. One can only assume that in their opinion, 8mm was just not important enough for them to provide this extra service.

I was then told that a lot of the prints carried multi-tracks; the main track always being in English. But, on some prints there was another track, just on the edge of the sprocket holes, much like the balance track on a magnetic print, and this track was mostly French, German or Spanish.

I was then taken into the room where the films were checked upon return from the air craft, and where new prints were being put on to giant spools for polishing. I was astounded at the number of prints in the room – it must have been at least five or six thousand! Can you imagine standing in front of five or six thousand full length 8mm sound feature, 99% of which were never going to be offered to the collector?

When the prints came in from the various labs, they were in the same number of roles as the 16mm prints, since they had been taken from the 16mm negatives. For aircraft use they need to be on one continuous reel, so the first job was the splicing together of all the various reels. The films were then coated with a silicone polish, and then flat wound into a giant cartridge, as one continuous roll, ie; the film came form the outer edge of the large roll, went through the projector gate and sound head and wound back onto the inside of the roll. This is the reason that the films were coated with silicone, to make them very smooth and slippery, and to avoid emulsion build up and scratching. After this they were put onto projectors, the same Technicolor machines that the airlines used, each print was run, and then the prints shipped to various airlines. At one time there were twenty projectors running, checking films. These specially made machines had Xenon lamps, and the sound out put was remarkably good. Much better than the quality received through those dreadful earphones they give you on the plane!

Once the films had served their purpose, they were returned to the various dumps around the world and supposedly junked. I was at SUNSTRAND at one time when they destroyed about 500 feature films, and an official from the film industry stood there whilst they put an axe through every print. ( I don’t think I have ever got over the shock).

It seems that some prints have got out from various dumps, and have found their way onto the market. I must say that a few years ago I did persuade Warner Bros and Columbia to sell us a few prints, which they did. I think we had about ten titles in all and about fifty copies of each. But sadly, the airlines soon stopped using 8mm, when cheaper, video copies became available, and as far as I am aware, no 8mm prints are now made for airline use. If you are offered an ex-airline print, make sure they are not turning pink, as most of them were printed at the time when Eastman stock was suspect.
Mike [Cool]
 
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 25, 2005, 02:27 PM:
 
Good boy Mike, the reader who asked Mr Simmonds about the airline prints was me, Dereck must have had a fit when he saw prints being destroyed to stop them getting out [Eek!] . WHAT A RIDICULOUS WASTE. And for what. Now you can get almost anything you want on crappy pirated DVDs.
 
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on July 25, 2005, 03:21 PM:
 
I have had some years ago "The Osterman Weekend" 3 x 600 english optical sound.

My formerly optical print "Little Shop Horrors" is now with magnetic stereo sound, one of my favorit 8mm films which are worth to take with in the grave.

[ July 25, 2005, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: Andreas Eggeling ]
 
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on July 25, 2005, 04:56 PM:
 
I remember that item in FFTC well. It made me shudder with horror at the point when Derek said they axed 500 prints. Well done for letting us read that again Mike.
I have been updating the list in the first thread and its now up to a healthy 56 titles.

Kev. [Smile]
 
Posted by Barry Attwood (Member # 100) on July 26, 2005, 02:46 AM:
 
Kevin,

I have had also copies of "Back To The Future" Pt.s 1 & 2, they had an English optical track but with large RED Japanese language sub-titles (if you can call them that, as they covered a 3rd of the screen area when anyone spoke). I also have had some really weird titles like the first "Nightmare On Elm Street", now you have got to remember all Airline titles were meant for general viewing, so imagine the horrible editing some of these had, but filmakers soon learnt, especially with nudity, as they filmed portions of their movies twice, once for the cinema (everything hanging out and on display), and once for the Airline / TV cut (Bra and top on etc.).
 
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on July 26, 2005, 05:15 AM:
 
Thats incredible Barry. I have to say I would love to see one of these Japanese prints.
I never gave nudity etc a thought and yes I can imagine how awful some of them would end up once the scisors had been introduced.
I will add those to the list later.

Kev.
 
Posted by Martyn Bennett (Member # 263) on July 26, 2005, 03:44 PM:
 
ROMANCING THE STONE.
 
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 28, 2005, 11:46 AM:
 
Don't forget "Yellowbeard" on optical sound. I used to have a print of that on optical! It didn't do well in the theaters, but I found it's dry humor quite funny :

(pile of dead bodies)

"What happened here?"
"The Plague."
"The plague?!!"
"All sudden like, lucky I was out!"
"That man has a sword in him."
"He fell on it."

Hah!!
 
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on July 31, 2005, 07:59 AM:
 
...add 'American Graffiti' to the Super 8 Optical sound list.

I forgot I have a print, it's 2.35:1 LETTERBOXED/MATTED and quite red! I haven't played it since I bought it a few years back, it was sold to me as 'in good condition' via a USA website!! What can I say, you live and learn to ask the right questions next time, anyway it was a 'bargin'. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Eberhard Nuffer (Member # 410) on August 01, 2005, 04:08 PM:
 
Hi altogether,

in Germany we have a nice quarterly on film collecting, MOVIE, published by the LUMIERE FILMCLUB. For about seven years now, in any issue of MOVIE one airline print has been reviewed. Among the prints reviewed, there were the following titles not included in the list yet:

1941 (Spielberg)
D.A.R.Y.L.
A Boy Named Charlie Brown
Arthur
Diamonds are Forever
Fatal Attraction
Good Morning Vietnam
Never Cry Wolf
Rear Window
Seems Like Old Times
Star Trek IV
Swing Shift
The Spy Who Loved Me
The Untouchables
Tootsie
Trading Places
Witness

I do have another airline print, "Yellowbeard" in my own collection. And, sorry to correct: Shouldn't the title "Lady in Red" read "Woman in Red" instead? (At least if you mean the Gene Wilder movie; I also have an airline print of this one).

I think the decision for optical sound instead of magnetic tracks had a lot to do with financial reasons: With optical prints, the soundtrack is copied in the same work step as the picture, whereas magnetic prints need a second run through a striping machine and a third run to record the sound information to the stripe.

Whereas in the field of amateur filmmakers, it was important to offer recording facilities, so projectors were designed for magnetic sound and the sound system of package movies was adapted to the existing "hardware", airlines had no need to adapt to the rest of the super 8 market: They had their own projection facilities for which the prints were struck, and as they had a lot of prints made, optical sound was considerably cheaper.

Best regards,

Eberhard
 
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 02, 2005, 11:18 AM:
 
Do you think you'd ever part with Yellowbeard? I've always been partial to that film! (fingers crossed)
 
Posted by Eberhard Nuffer (Member # 410) on August 02, 2005, 12:48 PM:
 
Osi,

I have already thought about selling "Yellowbeard", but I doubt that you are still after this title when I tell you that my print shows first signs of fading: Although there is still plenty of colour left, a tendency towards brown/pink is clearly visible.
Luckily, my print of "Woman in Red" seems to hold up well (fingers crossed!!!)

Eberhard
 
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 02, 2005, 02:20 PM:
 
How brown or pink? I've ran into a number of prints that are browning but quite nice. It wouldn't seem to be both brown and also pink, as pink denotes Eastman stock, brown denotes Kodak SP stock.
In other words, is the color just fine with a slight browning, or color honestly gone bye bye/ I don't expect a virgin print, of course, but one that will still have a lot of mileage.

Your welcome to hotmail me. By the way, would you happen to have or know anyone who has "Never Cry Wolf" that they'd like to depart with ?
 
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on August 03, 2005, 03:15 PM:
 
This is a wonderful posting about 8mm optical films.

It reminds me of my personal collection of optical prints, which stirs up memories of film friends that I have met along the way in life. These are friends that have shaped my appreciation of film, helping me build a collection, and which brings us together in this wonderful hobby.

I hope that this sentiment is appropriate for this posting, although the rest of this could probably be placed over by the General Yak Thread.

Anyway here's the story, it's about a film friend and his name was Arthur Stephan. He lived in Michigan, and was originally from New Jersey.

Arthur was a musician and collector, and he took pride in showcasing his films on a monthly basis to the public. His Silent Film Society in Ann Arbor, Michigan was well known for close to 30 years and it showcased mostly silent films which he either scored himself or obtained scored music from various sources.

Over time, Arthur decided to let go of some of his Standard 8mm and Super 8mm prints, all the while by managing to maintain his film society. As years past, it was more and more difficult to maintain a public space to showcase the films.

Over the last few years the wear and tear of searching and showcasing, albeit his poor health kept him going. Unfortunately his body could not keep up, and ultimately the Fox Theatre in Michigan also gave the society the boot out the door. Public sentiment in local news articles also tried to rally the continuation of the society in a public forum.

Well, he tried to maintain a good attitude about it, and although that the availability of space was not available, he had a good philosophy about not dying along with the society. He said that he could not die, because he still had so many bills to pay.

We spoke for many hours over the phone, and he would tell me that while growing up in N.J., the site of the Laurel and Hardy 'clothes tree' at the start of the beginning of a program, would alone have the audience cheering in hysterics.

Other nostalgic memories contain traveling to NYC's Capitol Theater for a full program of The Wizard of Oz, followed by a live stage show appearance with Judy Garland, Ray Bolger and Bert Lahr. Arthur said that he sat through the program twice that day.

(I relayed this story to my father-in-law, and he too saw Bob Hope and Pearl Bailey at the Capitol, after a screening of: That Certain Feeling. It was a time long ago, when Stars showcased their live talent after a full screening.)

Any way, Arthur always promised me a box of Super 8 Optical Features, only for the price of shipping.

Imagine that! He only needed to have a chance to find the time to ship it.

I never wished to press him about shipping it,due to his poor health because that was not important to me. But more importantly than receiving that package, I did receive a good friendship, but lost a good, kind and generous friend that had a storage of memories and was always cheerful to share a moment and chat about film. By all means, what's more important than that?

Essentially, that is what we are about.

I will never forget him, and his presence in me will live on forever.
Thanks for allowing me to share this memory of Arthur and film, along with the good people here on the forum.

Michael
 
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 03, 2005, 06:15 PM:
 
Hey Mike, did you ever find out what happened to his film collection? It's always sad to hear when, (as I did years ago) that a film collector passes on, leaves his collection to his ungrateful kids, who end up tossing them out or giving them to the salvation Army(who usually toss out those kind of things because there's no immediate "profit" to them) or whatever. It always burns me up. Someday, when I pass on, I will no doubt have found a good film friend who I can give my collection to who will value it, or mail out films others have envied, to those people that valued them, at least then, you know it'll go to someone who'll cherish them as you did!
 
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on August 03, 2005, 11:14 PM:
 
Michael, what an awesome story. Thanks for sharing it. Like Arthur, I'm more and more thinking about "coming out" and showing my collected films to an audience, perhaps my church community or some friends of my wife's and mine... after all (it seems to me) what fun is it to watch movies by yourself [Frown] I think the real fun is in setting up your projector and everything and running the show for others to be amazed by [Wink] Now I just need to bug my wife about calling that co-worker of hers who expressed an interest in seeing my SECRET OF NIMH feature, so the three of us can get together and actually watch it [Big Grin] I've had the film for months now and STILL haven't seen it... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on August 04, 2005, 04:30 AM:
 
Just rediscovered this thread. Some years ago I noticed at one of Derann's Open Days an optical print of the first 'Columbo' with Peter Falk. Can't remember the title (too lazy to look it up at the moment!)
Mal
 
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on August 04, 2005, 02:31 PM:
 
Hi 'ya Gang,

Thanks for the support. Unfortunately I never heard what had
happened to the film collection.

Life is too short.

Michael
 
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on August 07, 2005, 08:53 AM:
 
Will you look at this one...!

http://cgi.ebay.com/James-Bond-The-Living-Daylights-Super-8-Color-Sound_W0QQitemZ6422037160QQcategoryZ63821QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A full-length super-8 optical print of a James Bond feature... (unfortunately in Spanish, and no way to re-record!)...
 
Posted by Klaus Kohlmann (Member # 275) on August 10, 2005, 01:08 PM:
 
Hello Mike,

please add the following airline optical movies to the list:

You only live twice (James Bond 007)
Moonraker (James Bond 007)
For your eyes only (James Bond 007)
Superman II
Superman III
Superman IV

All of the movies are a little abridged. For example, the Bond-movies have no end-credits. In the Superman III airline print the scenes with the PISA tower are missing.
 
Posted by Colin Robert Hunt (Member # 433) on August 10, 2005, 02:17 PM:
 
Just like to add my one and only optical print. It's Ben Hur on 6 X 600ft reels so looks like the full version. I bought this a few years back at a very cheap price. It's a pan and scan not bad quality but a little red. Had every intention of buying a Elmo with optical playback. This so far has not happened.
 
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 10, 2005, 06:00 PM:
 
Wouldn't mind finding a copy of Superman 2. But boy, Ben Hur, full length, now THATS A SUPRISE, as most of the features were cut down to a little under 2 hours. I'm betting that this was a special release for extra long flights, or something. I'm really baffled by that one!
 
Posted by Tom A. Pennock (Member # 202) on August 12, 2005, 10:47 PM:
 
More S8 Optical Airline Prints:

The Earthling (1980)
The Golden Seal (1983)
Live & Let Die (1973)
Day Of The Dolphin" (1973) Has two magnetic soundtracks. Main stripe track is in English.Balance magnetic track is in Norwegian. Print was used for transatlantic flights. In adapted scope for Mike Nichols!!!

Off Gauge:
I just recently picked up a loose LPP "low fade" reel number two from "Octopussy" (1983) which is a reel from a 16mm airline print. Superb quality!!!

Mike:

I enjoyed your posting about Art. I was a close friend for years. I have no idea what happened to his film collection. He did mail me a kinescope of "A Salute To Stan Laurel" as a gift a few months before passing away. I think the "Ann Arbor Silent Film Society" might just have inherited Art's silent film collection and equipment. I did write a letter to Art's nephew telling him how much Art's friendship meant to me. Ironically your posting was very near Art's birthday which was August the 4th. I miss Art's letters very much. His society lives on!!!

Best, Tom
 
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 13, 2005, 05:25 PM:
 
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to re-start this discussion with all the extra films listed, (opticals) to revamp that list which must be, (by now) up to about 70 or 80 titles, (and continuing to grow!)

Ahhh, I pine for the old days when Dave Thomas Films had numerous optical super 8's at bargain prices, but even he's fiding that many of his are starting to fade. I wonder how he stored them?
 
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on February 27, 2006, 06:35 PM:
 
Hey Gang,

I was thinking recently if Eddie Murphy's
Trading Places, and Coming to America was released on
Super 8 Optical?

Michael
 
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 28, 2006, 09:29 AM:
 
I do know for a fact that "Trading Places" was released as a super 8 optical print, as I remember it being on Dave Thomas Films lists back in the late 80's, so there's hope for you there! Great comedy, by the way, no doubt censored, however, as there's some nudity in the original.
 
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on February 28, 2006, 04:57 PM:
 
Osi,

Thanks for the information.

I remember that neat little cameo at the end
of Coming to America with Ralph Bellamy and
Don Ameche reprising their roles as the Duke Brothers,
and thought how wonderful it would be to own
both films as a double feature.

Michael
 
Posted by Martyn Bennett (Member # 263) on March 01, 2006, 02:48 PM:
 
ROMANCING THE STONE.
Martyn.
 
Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on June 25, 2006, 03:46 AM:
 
I've brought this thread up to the front for the benefit of Osi.

Osi, if you have a look through the post you should be able to assemble, not so much "the definitive" list but at least one that gives you a good idea of what prints were made available through Derann and others.

If I were at home and had access to my own computer, with Word and what not, I would do a bit of copying and pasting and produce a list myself but as it is, I'm having to use an internet cafe so it's not so easy.

Mike [Cool]
 
Posted by Barrie Didham (Member # 1741) on June 04, 2010, 09:41 AM:
 
Omg,what am i doing raising a post from the dead,oh well,i,ve always been running late so why not.

I just picked up a very nice US Optical print of Scandalous on 3 600ft reels.

There i,ve done it,now where do i hand myself in?

[ June 04, 2010, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Barrie Didham ]
 
Posted by Daniel Aveline (Member # 1714) on June 04, 2010, 11:52 AM:
 
What about Penny Marshall's Big? [Wink]
 


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