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Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on March 13, 2004, 11:08 AM:
I just got word "Ice Age" "Gladiator" "Lord of the Rings" "You only live twice" will be offered in a few months.
For an additional fee these may be available in 16mm as well.
Im jumping on Gladiator ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on March 14, 2004, 01:31 PM:
Nobody cares about new features?
Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on March 14, 2004, 02:27 PM:
Certainly do but need more details. Who's producing them, when will they be available, what price, will they have a sound track, stereo or mono?
I would very much be in the market for a good quality print of one or more of the above titles at a reasonable price, particularly if it has a cracking sound track. I tread cautiously now though having had my fingers burnt by one or two new prints coming out of Germany that failed to deliver... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Tell me more ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Mike
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 15, 2004, 01:36 AM:
Mike,
What prints have not lived up to expectation? Was that picture or sound or both?
As you say, sounds like good news re new releases but more info needed
Tony
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on March 15, 2004, 03:50 AM:
I have not got round to buying a new feature mainly because of the expense, so mainly stick to second hand and have not been that disappointed apart from a Disney print with crap sound. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
I would be wary of paying £300-500 for a unknown entity, would have to be really sure I was getting good value for money.
Would love to support dealers who bring out these new features, but afraid it comes down to affordability in the end.
Chris
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on March 15, 2004, 07:53 AM:
Gladiator, Lord of the Rings? Those both sound awesome. Scope stereo English I hope. And under $350 too...but probably not since both of those movies are loooooong!
Great news though. I would probably spring for Lord. Great movie.
Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on March 15, 2004, 08:50 AM:
These are coming from Germany. OAR.
I hope stereo.
Ill be grabing something but I hope the US dollar gets a little stronger
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on March 15, 2004, 12:39 PM:
Have to admit i mostley opt for 2nd hand soley because of price for me. If i went for new i'd rather trust the likes of Derann who's new releases are generally always tops and of course they do have the option of 6 months interest free which for low piad chaps is a must, i certainly would be worried if i paid £300 upward and had either grainy picture or sound quality of the old 70's-80's releases, but do have to say those titles are superb.
Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on March 15, 2004, 12:57 PM:
Tony, the problem I had was with the sound, the print was great. I bought a new print for £340 and opted to pay the extra £60 to have a stereo sound track put on it. When it arrived it was truely awful, lots of wow and drop out. Sooo... it went back to be re-recorded and when it came back it was just a little better than it had been. I showed it once for myself but didn't ever show it to anyone else because the sound was so poor, frankly it was embarrassing .
The dealer allowed me a trade of films against the print to half its original value [£170] the £60 was lost for ever. The film later appeared on the dealers second hand list as an 'ex demo' and was bought by someone on this forum who returned it due to the poor sound quality.
I understand that part of the problem was with the quality of the stripe, I think it was that that caused the drop out.
I would definately be interested in new features and will stump up the funds to pay for them, but I need some sort of guarantee that it will be spot on otherwise the £300 + simply isn't worth it.
That said, the titles look great and I shall look forward to hearing more .
Mike
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on March 15, 2004, 03:33 PM:
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on March 15, 2004, 03:34 PM:
Thanks to new friends i have made on this brill forum, i have had the chance to see some of the new releases and older ones.
Making a comparison between say, Mines of Moria release and my newly acquired second hand 20 year old Walton release, Carry On Cleo, Guess which is the best print, the Walton print.
Also Gladiator was very good and the sound track, the predator print which is a much older release, in my opinion wins hands down on print quality. An optical print of Rising Damp i own, is a super print, and how old is that, and yet still holds it's own,
I am not trying to knock dealers new prints, i just not quite won over on quality getting better, i don't think it's always the case.
Maybe i need to see more films, and buy a new pair of glasses.
Chris.
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 15, 2004, 03:35 PM:
I think it is despicable that a collector pays £400.00 for a brand new super 8 feature to be sold something that is not worth buying or owning. It is not acceptable to be fobbed up with a 50% trade in. I had a similar experience when buying a new feature and because I paid with credit card I insisted on a full refund. If you pay by credit card you are protected by law
the product has to be perfect and functioning.
He has sold you a product that is faulty. You would not accept an
faulty washing machine that leaked, or a television with no sound. You would not accept a 50% trade against other products in those circumstances.
Why accept it with Super 8!!!
I know some will be saying but if I do that I won't be able to buy any other titles from that dealer.
Well if he does not have enough grace to take back faulty goods is he really worth dealing with.
We are paying enough money for our films we are entitled to expect films we can be proud of can show to others and can enjoy!!
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 15, 2004, 04:10 PM:
Mike,
Sad though it is I find myself in agreement with Mr N.
No wonder it is dying out! You are too polite to name and shame but I can guess....
Tony
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 15, 2004, 05:00 PM:
Hi Tony
I don't think it is fair on collectors to buy new films
and be fobbed off like that.
Okay, with second hand films you pay your money take your chance.
If you ask enough questions you may get told the truth.
You could say more but You Know.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on March 16, 2004, 10:19 AM:
Yes i'm 100% behind on this, if i paid that much or even a tenner and the film has duff picture,sound, colour fade or any fault it will always go back.(unless the said fault was advertised with the film,ie,slight fade) i also think that we should not lose postage either, nor do not accept having to have a credit note because the dealer thinks the film is fit, i do have to say that our big dealer in the the w.midlands are absolute winners on customer service in this area, they have always been helpfull 100% whenever i have returned a print. but i do belive there are a few companies that advertise a film as A condition and when you get it the print is faulty.
All said and done we all sensibly dont expect to buy 2nd hand and recieve a brand new print but reading what some of you are saying, if i spent 300 quid upward i would NEVER accept a 50% refund or trade in that is not on, i would expect the goods to be correct or a full refund. lets have a name & shame page for dealers like this . ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 16, 2004, 05:17 PM:
I have to say that I also agree with you guys. If it's faulty then it goes back for a full refund or they get their details spilled here on the forums. So far I have been able to sort any problematic prints out with dealers but what does get me is the fact that you buy a second hand or new print. It arrives with a problem on reel 3 for instance but then the dealer has only checked reel 1!(in the case of s/h) so you argue a little over this point. The dealer takes the film back but does not have another copy so you get your money back LESS SHIPPING. Why? it's not my fault the print was crap so why did I have to pay the shipping cost both ways. If checked properly this would not occur to start with.
Another well known dealer does not like to refund your money but prefers (insists) on you haveing a credit note!!!
What is it all coming to
No wonder super 8mm according to the dealers is on a steady decline.
Kev.
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 17, 2004, 03:16 AM:
300 posts Kevin and still only a 'Master Film Handler'. Too bad.
Getting back to the original post regarding Gladiator and Lord of the Rings I too have heard Lord of the Rings is coming out full length. This will be a difficult one to produce good print quality on as the film is so dark so will certainly be interesting to see how good the German labs are now. If Spider-Man is anything to go by they could do very well indeed. Just a shame I don't care for the film.
Gladiator full length? This isn't being done in Britain so if this is true will be another German offering. Is this true or is it that a second extract is about to appear from Derann? Enough of us have been clamouring for the opening battle so is it that this sequence is about to be released?
Lord of the Rings is about 3 hours in length. That is going to be about £500. Possibly more. Gladiator is 2.5 hours so if it comes out full length we're looking at over £400. I'd probably stretch to Gladiator but I'd have to absolutely love Lord of the Rings to justify a purchase.
I just hope the people bringing these out know their market well enough and don't get their fingers burned.
Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on March 17, 2004, 09:35 AM:
Quote:I just hope the people bringing these out know their market well enough and don't get their fingers burned.
I agree. I think we would all like to own both of these but the price will be steep limiting most of us to afford only one.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on March 17, 2004, 12:20 PM:
If the company in Germany are able to do such modern releases on 8 why on earth are they not doing the buisness of advertising in somewhere like FFTC or other hobby mags, inc the net, and getting a customer database? Surely if someone has the money to invest in these releases they could become another Derann, this is what super 8 needs and as Kevin correctly states, we cant go on forever accepting prints which often have to be sent back and us losing cash in the bargin, much profit comes from the postage of our films, I do think if it wasn't for Derann 8mm would have died many moons ago,so as to these new features, why does the company not get cracking and build the buisness, while i cant afford too many expensive features i know there are people who can and will, besides, if they can produce the features how about some shorts, trailers and mini features, come on, who are you there in Germany and how come your getting such excellent titles but yet not be another official super 8mm dealer, not pirate copies are they?
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 17, 2004, 12:38 PM:
I believe all the material from Germany is bootlegged or pirated
without any copyright.
That would explain why the ones behind it dont want to announce who they are.
If they do have copyright I apologise unreservedly ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on March 17, 2004, 04:42 PM:
I have a big problem with bootleged copies of DVD's and VHS tapes that are sold on the street corner, as they are hurting the sales of legitamate movies that cost alot of money to make. And the buyer is actually taking money from many people involved in the movie making process.
Super 8, however, is a different story. With the super 8 collector, in most cases, we already own a legitamate DVD or Video of the feature we buy and, in most cases, will end up purchasing one anyway (for sound re-recording, etc.) In most cases, we do not show our movies for profit, and actually promote movies that show well!
Sound hypocritical? Well, maybe just a little. I do prefer to purchase the super 8 release that was done with all the proper signatures, but in some cases it is not always possible.
Nick.
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 17, 2004, 06:19 PM:
If they are bootlegged they are very good prints indeed. Lets face it they would be run from 35mm release prints not 16mm or the like. I have some of these German prints and they are really cracking in terms of quality.
Watched Empire strikes Back the other weekend (didnt we Chris Q) and although the soundtrack was nothing to write home about the picture quality was really very good and in scope too. Yes Bootlegged and it had the wear marks at the end of each reel to prove it but none the less brilliant transfer to super 8.
Yes I too would buy a copy of LOTR just like I have now got Spiderman and what a scorcher that is in scope on the old GS xenon ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Kev.
Posted by Mark Girard (Member # 82) on March 17, 2004, 09:50 PM:
Wow Spider-man is on Super 8. I've really been away for a while. The big question is how do they market these prints if they indeed are bootlegged? I know I wouldn't want Lord of the Rings or Gladiator because not only would they be too expensive due to the length but I doubt I could get anyone to sit and watch those movies with me. Spider-man I know I could get people to watch with me and quite often too I imagine. This will probably have to be a Christmas gift for myself or something but I'd love to get this. How do I go about finding a print?
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 18, 2004, 01:31 AM:
Spider-Man in 'Scope Kevin? It's amazing what a difference a Xenon can make - it will even stretch an otherwise flat image.
Classic Home Cinema are the people for Spider-Man Mark. Currently £430 I believe. The exchange rate put the price up a bit from the original £399. Excellent print with good, albeit mono, sound. It runs in sync' with the DVD perfectly throughout giving nice Dolby Digital 5.1 sound.
Classic Home Cinema, 51 Cambridge Street, Cleethorpes DN35 8HD
Tel: 44 (0)870 744 6798
http://valueservices.org/classichomecinema/ chcinema@aol.com
Posted by Heinz-Juergen Schachner (Member # 32) on March 18, 2004, 08:32 AM:
Hi,
Kevin, you are right. The quality of the German prints is really very good. I have seen "First Blood", "Jurassic Park" and "The Empire strikes back" and all prints were excellent. The only problem of these prints is the film stock. They use acetate film stock if you want the print with sound stripe. Polyester film stock is only available without sound stripe. They seem to have big problems striping polyester film stock (the stripe does not stick on polyester). At the moment there seem to be many problems with the liquid sound stripe of the big English super8mm company, too. I have just received 4 features from them and the sound stripe looks very uneven. I did not watch the prints completely but if you simply look upon the sound stripe it sometimes even disappears for a few inches and then reappears. If you hold the film againsdt light, you can notice the light shining through the sound stripe because it is that thin. Maybe we all must collect money for Derann to buy a new striping machine ;-)
Best Wishes
Heinz-Juergen Schachner
Germany
Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on March 18, 2004, 07:50 PM:
Heinz
I just got my excerpt of "The Fifth Element" and the sound disappears in one part and returns very garbled for a while and finally returns to normal. I know others have posted having great luck with the sound on this title.
I dont care in this case because its just a short and I am mesmerized by the image. It took me a long time to get this. Im still waiting for "The Gladiator"
Im afraid if I send it back it will take months and I could get something worse or something wrong with the image this time around.
I have had a few German features in the past where the strip came right off. My dealer eventually replaced the print but it took a long time.
They have the picture quality nailed for perfection though. They are looking very very good. I think the small % of bad striping issues are inherent with the technology.
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on March 18, 2004, 07:58 PM:
Hi Heinz,
I think Derann have stopped doing there own striping and have it done outside?
Chris.
Posted by Mark Girard (Member # 82) on March 18, 2004, 10:53 PM:
Thanks John for the info about Classic. Of all the UK cinema websites Classic always felt like pulling teeth to figure out what they were selling. Still to have Spider-man would be great. Yes it's amazing how the fact that a poor U.S. dollar is probably going to result in a price that is a couple of hundred dollars more than what the same U.K. price of 4 or 5 years ago would have cost. I'll probably have to suck it up and order it though. Again This is going to have to be an end of the year purchase since it looks to be somewhere between $700-$800. It is a tough decision. I guess that would make Gladiator or Lord of the Rings easily over $1000. If I ever hit the four figure mark for a film print I will probably institutionalize myself. Is that not insane?
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 19, 2004, 03:21 AM:
The dollar is bound to recover and get back to around $1.40. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just electioneering causing the present low value. And Britain can't afford to have this exchange rate as the USA is our biggest market for exports so it's causing a multi-billion pound deficit in our economy at the moment. So just hold on for a while and you should do alright.
Ged does all the striping at Derann. It is just the sound masters prepared outside and they are done to a very high standard now. The stripe is better now than it has been for years. I haven't had a problem for ages but given the procedure involved in applying the paste there are bound to be a few glitches. I find it amazing they can actually get this stuff to stick to the polyester film.
Anyone heard anything more about this purported feature release of Gladiator. Neither Keith Wilton nor myself have. It looks like it could be a mix-up over the extract Derann put out. And it shouldn't be too long until the next extract!!! (Please, please, please!!!)
Posted by Mark Girard (Member # 82) on March 19, 2004, 08:54 AM:
quote:
The dollar is bound to recover and get back to around $1.40. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just electioneering causing the present low value. And Britain can't afford to have this exchange rate as the USA is our biggest market for exports so it's causing a multi-billion pound deficit in our economy at the moment. So just hold on for a while and you should do alright.
I hope you are right about that. I remember it always being around $1.50 and it was easy to look at the films and say oh £30 that's $45. Now I look at £30 and think $60 (and really more when I consider shipping to the U.S.). The rate needs to start falling now so even if I had to pay $1.60 per GBP I'd still be saving a hundred dollars from what I'd be paying now.
Anyone buy a copy of Spider-man on Super 8? Just wondering if people are happy with the print. Since classic is the distributer does this mean that the prints have English credits or are they German still? I also assume since the soundtracks are in English too since there was no mention of them being in some other language.
Posted by Heinz-Juergen Schachner (Member # 32) on March 19, 2004, 09:29 AM:
Hi,
SPIDERMAN is a German print and thus it has German credits. The prints sold in the UK are imported from Germany.
To Chris:
As far as I know Derann still does the striping by themselves. At least that is what Gary has told me.
Best Wishes
Heinz-Juergen Schachner
Posted by Steven Sigel (Member # 21) on March 19, 2004, 10:06 AM:
I don't think the dollar is likely to get much stronger against the pound any time in the near future.. With interest rates so low in the US, and massive deficits, it's unlikely that the dollar with strengthen.....
BTW - the pound/dollar ratio has varied in my memory anywhere between about $1.25 and $2.00 but historically, I think the range has been much wider than that...
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 19, 2004, 11:27 AM:
Once new features went past £250.00 mark. Insanity reigned
Stripe coming off in your hand after a couple of showing or using the right cleaner was just an added bonus to the madness.
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 19, 2004, 11:41 AM:
Well, if Barclays Capital are to be believed (see their web site www.barcap.com) the $ will depreciate further and perhaps peak above £=$2. Who knows (George Soros I guess). With interest rates at higher levels in Europe than the US it is hard to see why the currency is attractive. The US balance of payments position is concerning so my bet is that clever money will seek a safe haven in the Swiss Franc fueled by an Al Ki E Da attack on London. If this happens I intend to battle through the flames to rescue John Clancy's Xenon
Have you chaps tried the Reel Image in the US? They might have old spidy stock at better prices? I have seen some of the film at Clancy's and it is STUNNING. I projected the DVD (washing my mouth out as you read and thrashing myself with a stick but that's another story) and it was not a patch on the film
Tony
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 19, 2004, 12:38 PM:
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Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 20, 2004, 12:07 AM:
One of your more interesting posts Mr N!!
Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 20, 2004, 06:27 AM:
Hi Tony
I get enough of this at work this is play time!!! ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 22, 2004, 03:14 AM:
You'll find the forthcoming review of the Spider-Man feature here...
http://www.bfcc.biz/spiderman2.html
And I can confirm Tony certainly does have a "lovely bunch of coconuts".
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 22, 2004, 01:25 PM:
John,
Many thanks.
Mike,
Lucky you, I just got all that BS from reading the internet, haven't a clue what it all means. If only they expressed it in terms of frames per second!!!!
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