8mm Forum: Re-recording

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Posted by Bob Pucci (Member # 8) on September 19, 2004, 05:10 PM:

I know that this has been discussed before but what does one need if you are going to try and re-record a film.I have a GS-1200.Thanks

Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on September 19, 2004, 05:27 PM:

I use my personal computer for rerecording of shorts or selected scenes editions. The sound can be stretched and shortened with the software. For selected scenes version it is easier to make the same cut down version in digital form of a video/dvd source and record then to 8mm version. That is better than the stop and go recording from dvd/video directly on a 8mm digest.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on September 19, 2004, 06:11 PM:

Andreas, What is required to do this as I'm rather interested in using the computer as a means of getting the cuts to match the film etc.

Kev.

Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on September 20, 2004, 02:23 AM:

Hi Bob,
you need to crystal lock the projector to gain perfect sync, you can do this using the P1008GS-Q unit that Pedro makes, his email address is- pagodeiro@tgmx.net
The web site address is- http://www.super8sync.com/English/products.html
Pi008GS-Q is the cheapest unit for doing this about £38 i think.
TIP Ask him if he could put a longer lead on it, as i find that it can give a buzz on the speakers if you don't get it in the right place, but other than that it works very well, and locks the GS at 25/24/18/16 & two thirds fps.

Chris

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on September 20, 2004, 02:36 AM:

Andreas

Perhaps an article for Film for The Collector?

Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on September 20, 2004, 02:37 AM:

Kevin,

hope to can explain in english.

Step 1:
You need
a) TV-Cart (if you use TV-Cable)
or
b) IEEE 1394 Firewire Host Adapter (Conection for Mini-DV)
or
c) DVD-ROM in your PC

Step 1b
if you use a or b, play the movie in your PC and record it.
you need software, for example videowave 4.0, Adobe Premiere
or other.

if you have a DVD-ROM hardware in your PC, you need software
to rip the files on the DVD. Ask dealers or search in the web
for it. I would search in the web. There a lot of share- and
freeware you can test it before buying (f.e. XMPEG 5.0) Sometime you have to copy the film in two parts in two files.

if XMPEG 5.0 is used than the recording file have to be the '.mpeg' format.

The adjustment for the sound is importent.
looking for best adjustment.

The picture quality is not important.
The adjustment therefor should be about
320x240 or 160x120 pixel.

Step 2:
I convert the mpeg file in a normal '.avi' file by
using 'videowave 4.0'
Attention:
Do not record the full length film in one file.
make more files with about 30 minutes. If you make more than
one file, than be careful to give the files seperates names or
the software will overwrite the last file.

I tried to make avi files directly from DVD, but
they do not work correctly because they are divx.avi files
directly from DVD. But perhaps if you find a better software
you do not need the second step.

Step 3:
Now you can edit the film with software.
Adobe Premiere for example. You load the avi file and you can edit the movie. Thats the reason for the 30 minutes files, you can find scenes easier. The advantage of using software is, you can also edit the sound and picture seperately. That is sometimes useful to prevent hard cuts in the sound.

Step 4:
After editing you can make cd-rom copy for archive or play the sound in your Elmo and record it. At first you have to adjust the same speed of projector and PC, like using video or dvd-player.

Hope this helps. [Big Grin]

Andreas

PS: Ripping and/or converting needs a few hours, you should let do it the PC while you are sleeping.

[ September 20, 2004, 04:02 AM: Message edited by: Andreas Eggeling ]

Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on September 20, 2004, 05:43 AM:

Hi Bob,

I recently purchased one of Pedro's sync devices for the GS1200 with the intention of re-recording the sound off of DVD. I have found that it is just so easy to sync Super 8 films to DVD with one of these devices that I have not bothered to re-record. Even the recent Derann extracts, Gladiator, Anamatrix, Fith Element syncing up is a piece of cake.

Mark

Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on September 22, 2004, 01:04 PM:

Mark,
I have just done another recording and the quality between dvd and the re-record is surprisingly close, especially when you have the capacitor on the sound board changed, they have all deteriorated, believe me, and they will finally go altogether like mine did. Once you have a new capacitor you will notice how clean and crisp the GS1200 can really record, it is very noticeable, I believe that Ugo and Kev now change them as a matter of course.
Although i agree that it is easy to sync up, while showing, and if you got 5.1 then do it every time, but i personally would also re-record the films, just so i know they have a decent soundtrack, of course this makes them more portable if you take your film shows else where and there is no access to dvd, etc..

Chris. [Smile]

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on September 22, 2004, 03:01 PM:

My GS has just been treated to a new capacitor [courtesy of Kev] and it has made an incredible difference to the quality of it's recording ability.

I have been doing some experimentation, recording cds onto some prestriped Kodak stock and the play back is surprisingly good. Ok, so it's not the same as DVD but as Chris says, it's close and quite remarkable when you consider the age of the projector!

I shall be more than happy if I can re-record some of my features from DVD and get the sound quality that I have been getting from the cds. [Smile]

Mike

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