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Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 03, 2006, 12:54 PM:
EUMIG S938 STEREO PROJECTOR
The Eumig S938 Stereo projector is a full stereo capable machine with 150 watt lighting, 800ft spool capacity, and twin 20 watt stereo amplifiers. It is a gorgeous looking machine, finished in black, with white lettering on all the controls. Weight is 24.5 lbs. The quality of construction is excellent, being built on a cast aluminum chassis with thermoplastic front and back covers. It is a very solidly built machine, but not quite up to the tank-like all metal structure and superb finish of the Elmo GS1200. But the GS weighs a hernia-inducing 35 lbs!
The Eumig S938 Stereo projector is the successor to the Eumig 926 GL Stereo and shares much of the mechanical and electronic features of the 926GL. The 926GL is an otherwise excellent projector (with a superb sound system) marred by a terribly ill- conceived coaxial reel system. For whatever reason (perhaps for TV type projectors), Eumig designed their early 900 series machines with two coaxial reels on the rear of the projector, so the film had to go through a rather tortuous twisted film path before reaching the film gate. Added to that they also eliminated the top feed sprocket and replaced it with a tiny flapping isolation roller. While this sytem transported the film reasonably satisfactorily, it resulted in a jerking motion on the film supply spool and a distracting noisy thrashing of the long film length preceding the first feed roller. It also made loading and unloading the film a bit of a pain.
This problem has fortunately been rectified in the 938/940 where Eumig reverted to the traditional in-line reel system with top and bottom sprockets. Indeed the film handling of the 938 (and later 940) is now superb. The film auto-threading works faultlessly every time, and the running of the film is very quiet indeed, just a steady purr. Eumig also increased the spool capacity to 800ft and upgraded the lighting to 15v 150 watts. In order to utilize the higher wattage lamp, an additional small internal fan has been added specifically for lamp cooling.
The 938 lens is an f1.3 14-30mm incorporating Eumig's exclusive optical leveling system, which enables large vertical displacement of the projected image without having to tilt the projector. This feature has recently been adopted by Panasonic and Sanyo on their home theater video projectors where it has been renamed ‘ lens shift’. It is interesting to note that Eumig had this modern ,now hyped, feature 25 years ago! Anyway it works very well and you kind of miss it on projectors that don’t have it. Unfortunately this 1.3 lens is slow by modern standards and the projected image could be sharper, although the field is very flat. When I use my 938 I put in a much better quality f1.0 lens which moves the optical performance of this projector much closer to the 200 watt Elmo GS1200 in terms of screen brightness and image quality. Here is my own 938 fitted with the superb quality Kodak Ektar f1.0 22mm fixed focal length (non-zoom) lens, and ready for CinemaScope with the ISCO scope lens.
The big thing about the 938 (and also the 926) is the outboard sound console. This stunning looking panel has no less than 16 separate controls for recording, mixing, and playback of mono or stereo sound tracks. The recording and playback volume and mixing controls are all beautifully smooth linear potentiometer slides which are much easier to control than rotary knobs. It is equipped with two really beautiful illuminated moving coil analog recording meters, and a separate set of LED lights for each sound control. There is a green power-on light and an illuminated console panel light. In addition there are yellow LED's for each of the operating modes, a red signal lamp for recording mode, and yellow signal lamp for the mixing control. When you are recording, the 938 lights up like a Christmas tree! Because of this , sound recording on the 938 is a snap- much more convenient than on the Elmo’s where the sound controls are awkwardly located on the back wall of the projector chassis.
The stereo amplifier board contains no less than 44 transistors, 74 diodes, 7 operation amplifiers, 7 IC’s, and 2 integrated output stages. This huge board is mounted in its own separate housing which also forms the base of the projector and the control console. This is a much better arrangement than on say the Elmo GS1200 where the electronics are strung around the projector on multiple PWB’s which all have to be connected through wire harnesses. So the internal layout of the 938 is very neat and clean, making access and servicing very easy. The base of the projector has horizontal and vertical levelling adjustments. There is also an 'inching' knob on the back of the projector, and mounting holes in the front for a daylight viewer or 'scope' lens mount.
The mechanical functions are contolled by a single rotary knob for threading, forward with sound, forward without sound, reverse, and rewind. Power rewind is leisurely and therefore gentle on your films. The forward without sound function totally removes pressure from the sound heads, thus eliminating sound head wear when running silent films- a very nice feature!
Speed is continuously variable from 17 to 25 fps , contolled mechanically by a rotary knob. This is a very precision control, utilizing a ball on disc drive (vastly improved from the earlier Eumig 800 series) which is very light and smooth indeed. I have found this speed control is so precise that it makes re-dubbing of sound tracks from DVD video relatively easy. Of course it’s not pulse-sync, but for a mechanical speed control it’s probably about as good as you can get.
The gate is a hinged type which is only accessible by first removing the front cover. You can’t pull the gate out, so the best method of cleaning is with long cotton swab's and aero-duster. The sound head pressure pads are totally removable by turning a little red knob. This leaves the sound head totally accessible for easy cleaning . There is a mechanical counter which counts once every second at 18fps.
On the back of the machine are the usual recording/microphone input sockets, amplifier out, left and right external speaker sockets, and an earphone socket.
Sound recording and playback quality is truly spectacular. There is absolutely no trace of WOW , which cannot always be said of the Elmo GS1200. Playing back re-recorded stereo is stunning, with a quality which is indistinguishable from VHS HI-FI tracks. I have two Elmo GS1200’s and there is no doubt in my mind that the 938 sound quality is superior. Frequency response is 40 to 11,000hz at 18 fps, better of course at 24fps, and signal to noise ratio is better than 50db. The control console enables you to switch from track 1, track 2, 1+2 mono, or 1+2 stereo. You can also directly record track 1 on track 2, or vice-versa, and you can play back with track 1 controlling the volume on track 2 or vice-versa. There is also a PA function, and an auto-start socket on the back of the machine, which permits a frame synchronised flying start of an external sound source such as tape player or DVD. So the recording options are amazing- again superior to the GS1200.
So what do we have here in the Eumig S938 stereo? Well we have a gorgeous looking machine with the best stereo sound quality that I have yet heard on super 8. This projector will never scratch a frame of your film and it threads unfailingly and runs very smoothly. The 150 watt lamp is brighter than the ubiquitous 12v 100 watt lamp, but noticeably dimmer than the 200 watt GS1200. The supplied lens is mediocre, if you are serious about using this projector find a top quality f1.0 fixed or zoom lens and you will be in the big league with sharpness as good or better than the GS, but still a little dimmer. The recording capabilities, and ease of use, are better than the GS1200. The spool capacity is 800ft not 1200ft as on the GS 1200.
To summarize, Eumig got it all right on this one , producing a superb projector which beats the GS1200 in some very important areas, but does not quite come up to the superb brightness of the GS1200, and of course it only has 800ft spool capacity. But it is the perfect machine for home (as opposed to hall) use. A joy to use and operate, and stunning to look at.
[ June 15, 2019, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: Paul Adsett ]
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on February 03, 2006, 04:41 PM:
Paul,
Excellent review! While I disagree with certain comparisons to the GS-1200, you make a strong case for your 938. I hope this Doug guy gets his act together and writes that damn review of his 940 soon.
Doug
Posted by Tony Stucchio (Member # 519) on February 03, 2006, 05:46 PM:
I have never seen one. Can anyone post a pic? Sounds like a great machine.
Does it take the same lens as the old 810D? I once had a 907 and it took a different lens. Got rid of it because as you said the lack of sprockets made it very bad in handling film.
Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on February 03, 2006, 06:06 PM:
My friend has one of these machines, and for home use it is very good, especially through his sound system. It cost him just £80 a few years ago and has given great service.
Mal
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 03, 2006, 06:23 PM:
Doug, I have a very nice brochure picture of the 938 but have no idea how to upload it onto the forum. Can I email it to you and have you post it here?
Paul
Posted by Craig Hamilton (Member # 258) on February 03, 2006, 06:39 PM:
And what a damn fine machine she is!!!!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Craig
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on February 03, 2006, 06:49 PM:
Paul,
Absolutely! Just e-mail that brochure to me and I'll tack it onto our electronic bulletin board. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Doug
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on February 03, 2006, 07:10 PM:
Paul, photo added!
Craig, that's a 940 you got there, isn't it?
Doug
Posted by Craig Hamilton (Member # 258) on February 03, 2006, 07:14 PM:
Doug, this one is identical to a 940 I had. Really is an excellent projector.
Craig
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 03, 2006, 07:23 PM:
Thanks Doug- looks great!
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on February 04, 2006, 09:20 AM:
I want one. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on February 05, 2006, 02:24 PM:
I had the 840 and it was a good machine but after a few years i was burdened with the usual Eumig problems, slowing down,(i only found out how to cure this after i got rid of it ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
), and one of the soundtracks not working due to wear. I think Eumig should have made the body of more robust material, it was too plasticky for the type of machine it was. A good metal body like the Elmo's would have been much more robust,(and even heavier ). That said, it was an excellent machine for its time. I no ive still got the instructions book for it somewhere. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on February 06, 2006, 12:58 PM:
Tom? One of my 800s (the 807) is indeed slowing down... So, what's the cure?
(Paul, fantastic review, these machines are great)
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 06, 2006, 07:40 PM:
Doug and Jean-Marc, thanks for the kind comments.
It might be worth noting here the differences between the 938 and the later 940. I don't have a 940, but for reference these are the only differnces as far as I know ( Doug please correct if necessary):
1) The S940 has LED lights replacing the two analog recording level meters on the 938
2) The recording functions on the 940 are microprocessor controlled, providing more sophisticated sound mixing options.
3) The 940 incorporates an illuminated digital frame counter, in the location previously occupied by the front panel light on the 938. The mechanical frame counter on the 938 is of course thus eliminated.
Everthing else is identical to the 938.
The 940 was the last projector manufactured by Eumig and represented the culmination of their decades of experience in the design and production of home movie equipment. They went out at the top of their game, a sad victim of the Polavision debacle and the home video revolution. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on February 06, 2006, 08:54 PM:
Paul,
Unfortunately, the 940 doesn't have the optical leveling system of the 938.
Doug
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 06, 2006, 10:03 PM:
I suspect Eumig decided to put a much better lens on the 940, and this could only be done by eliminating the lens tilt feature.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on February 06, 2006, 10:19 PM:
Impressive shots,
and impressive insight into a great machine.
Thanks Paul
P.S. I want one too.
If Tom would not mind giving us a heads-up on how to correct the sound issue on the 800 series, that would be great.
Michael
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on February 07, 2006, 12:06 PM:
Jean, Im too familiar with the 800 series but if the drive is the same as most Eumigs, (double roller with rubber facings) it is a case of cleaning these up really well. The best way is to use very very fine wet and dry paper,(use dry of course) and lightly rub the rubber to produce a new surface to take away the sheen.Afterward clean up the rubber and the spinning part which actually drives the rubber faced flywheels with alcahole cleaner. (its also possible some of the lubricant within the moving parts is turning "gluey" so if it is try and remove this and lubricate with new. When all done run the machine with no film for a few minuites and do this once or twice a day and hopfully it will all come back to life again.
Hope it works.
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on February 09, 2006, 08:16 AM:
Tom, I suspected it had to do with the roller system... When you mention "wet and dry paper", is this like sand paper? Very fine grain?
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on February 09, 2006, 12:15 PM:
it is, its a dark blue/grey colour and is used in the motor trade for body repairs. You need to obviously use it dry but ensure you use a very very fine grade.Let me know how you get on.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on February 09, 2006, 12:33 PM:
Jean-Marc,
The abrasive paper is known as (wet/dry) silicone carbide paper.
The grit is #600.
It is blue/black in color, and has a very fine texture.
I have never considered this as an application for internal projector repairs,
but the concept is interesting.
However,
I use it wet between the dried coats of polyurethane in furniture restoration.
This paper smooths polyurethane brush marks which have dried on furniture surfaces.
Later I use a finer abrasive that is about #800-1000 grit.
It is called rotten-stone. This is mixed with water
into a liquid application, and apply it to the furniture before the
final polishing, with wax. It is one grade lower than pumice stone.
Michael
Posted by David Michael Leugers (Member # 166) on February 12, 2006, 12:05 PM:
I have always been a huge Eumig fan. I believe they have the best sound going of the projectors I have ever owned and they are very, very kind to film and will not damage your films if taken even moderate care of in cleaning. I find the 800ft reel size to be no problem. Many features fit on two 800ft reels and that is perfect. Gives your audience a chance to hit the head or get a refill without missing any of the film. :>)
David M. Leugers
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on March 05, 2012, 06:03 AM:
Dear Paul,just read your review on the Eumig S938 and if I didn't
already have far too many projectors I would be buying this one
now.Have you considered a career in sales?
Posted by Martin Dew (Member # 5748) on March 17, 2017, 08:41 AM:
Paul, I know you wrote this review some time ago, but I've just bought a S938 in almost mint condition for £100 with all original paperwork and box/packaging. I'm absolutely thrilled with it. It's so quiet running and the sound is really excellent. I was looking out for a GS-1200 or Beaulieu, but I really feel I've got all I need for home use now with this model.
Do you mind me asking what external amplifiers and speakers you are using with your 938?
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 17, 2017, 09:17 AM:
Hi Martin, I see you are from my favourate place in the UK - Henley on Thames. I just love it there and it is ALWAYS my first destination when visiting England.
Yes the 938 is a wonderful machine, as you have found out. 100 Pounds for a mint 938? -what a steal! It was the culmination of Eumig's 50 years of designing and manufacturing cine projectors, and this machine has everything you need for stunning movies at home. You might wish to seek out an f1.0 lens later on which will greatly boost screen brightness and picture quality.
I take the output from the headphone socket into a 10-band stereo equalizer (not really needed for the 938 because of its already superb sound quality) and then into a Sony 5.1 stereo amplifier connected to a set of Bose speakers.
By using the headphone output from the938, instead of the AUX output, you retain all the volume, bass/treble, mono/stereo, and balance controls right at the projector. Of course you can still sit in your armchair and control sound level with the remote for your stereo amplifier.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 17, 2017, 09:20 AM:
These are indeed a wonderful Super 8mm projector, best of all, very very kind to film!
Posted by Martin Dew (Member # 5748) on March 17, 2017, 09:32 AM:
Great that you like Henley, Paul! It's a fantastic town. I think I saw a video about you on YouTube - you live in Florida, right? I actually just moved back to the UK after 22 years living in California. I loved it over there, but I felt the time was right to come back, and I'm very happy with the decision.
Thanks for the advice on amplifiers. I was expecting that you would suggest some kind of PA or semi-pro amp, but of course plugging into an existing home cinema audio system would make complete sense in this case. I have a full digital home cinema with Parasound power amps etc, so it will be interesting to try it out when I have it all set up again over here.
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 17, 2017, 01:51 PM:
Martin, of all the States my favourate has always been California, and San Francisco is IMO the most beautiful city in the USA. That's probably why Vertigo is my number one film!
When I first visited Henley in 1986, I was cycling my way from Gatwick Airport down to Wales. The moment I rode over Henley Bridge I immediately fell in love with the town. I stayed at The Little White Heart inn on the riverfront. I loved it there, but unfortunately Breakespeare's Brewery sold it about 10 years ago, so now I have to stay at a Guest House on Queen Street, which is OK, but nowhere near the charm of the Inn, and I miss the sound of the Canadian Geese.
I take a peek at the Henley webcam, mounted at Hobb's boat yard, a couple of times a week, just to remind myself how beautiful it is. Another advantage of living there is that you are close to a lot of film conventions, such as Geoff Wheelers Big Screen fair, Westminster film Fair, and of course Keith Wilton and the BFCC Sprocket Hole.
Back to the 938. I would encourage you to record some stereo music on an old reel of striped film, and listen to the playback though headphones. You will find out just how stunning the sound capability of the 938 is. The main switch on mine failed a coupleof months ago and I had to replace it with a rocker switch, since the original switch is not available. If yours should ever quit on you, you can find my fix on this forum
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 17, 2017, 02:02 PM:
Hi Paul I have a long term plan to get one of these or a 940 with the handy lens for my small house.
Though going to make it a very long term look and see etc.
I do have this right don`t I, they are a synchronus motor.
But you need to keep your films filmguarded ? heads wise.
Many Thanks Mark.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 17, 2017, 02:06 PM:
Correct on both counts Mark.
The motor on these runs just as soon as the machine is switched on, not running.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 17, 2017, 02:08 PM:
I had a 940 at one point and loved it. Nice & quiet and also a great looking projector.
Martin,
Non-Eumig related, but the last time I was in the UK, I visited Henley on Paul's recommendation.
It was gorgeous!
Doug
Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on March 17, 2017, 04:56 PM:
To put prices in perspective I have just re-read the Derann Newsletter for January 1990 where they were advertising a new Eumig S940 for £895. a new Beaulieu 708EL stereo £1999.99 and a new Fumeo 9119 was £1399.99.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 17, 2017, 05:02 PM:
The 940 was much much cheaper than this price point when it was readily available. I will check some of my Movie Maker magazines from around 85 to see just exactly what price it was then but I remember it was far less than Derann's price here and represented great great value at the time for what was a top notch Stereo Projector at this time.
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 17, 2017, 05:11 PM:
I used to borrow a S934 from work in 88 that was quite nice. Not overly bright though.
I seem to remember the film path was a bit serious for part way through unloading. I may have read that here too.
Are the 938 and the 940 the same on that front ?
Best Mark.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 17, 2017, 05:20 PM:
The 938/40 isn't a bright projector either considering it takes the very same lamp as many of the best.
Even with the Schneider F1.1 fitted, it isn't up to scope presentation in my book. It's still a fine machine however but just let down a tad by the drive and lamp output, that's all.
Everything else is highly commendable!
The 940 differs somewhat in appearance and is microcomputer controlled, hence the obsolete IC chip now and the Huge LED display.
The 938 offers the far better and safer bet option now in this era.
You don't really want to be unloading part projected film on any of these but I have never ever understood why anyone would ever want to?
You are only ever 40 minutes away from letting the machine complete it's natural cycle maximum, and then safely rewinding your film as intended.
Projecting in reverse is also a very safe option on these I've also always found when using one of these.
Therefore if your film has only just begun and plans suddenly change, you can always opt to getting the film back onto its own spool fairly quickly by using this option if you so wished.
[ March 18, 2017, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 17, 2017, 06:08 PM:
What is the gate material in these please. Andrew or anyone.
Good advice re a 938 there.
Thanks Mark.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 17, 2017, 06:17 PM:
From memory Mark (Ashamedly I have to admit, it's over 6 months since I last ran mine since moving all of my Cine gear out of the house), it has a steel or Ali cast rear plate and Plastic front gate, but without getting it out again, someone like Paul or now Martin will be far better qualified than I am tonight to answer you 100% correctly on this particular aspect.
It is similar in construction to a Bauer T studio class projector but in my humble opinion, nowhere near as well built and equally the components used don't come close either.
Nevertheless, as already said, it's a fine example of a quality Super 8mm Stereo projector when you find an example as good as our friend Martin clearly has!
I think their relative price points reflects this aspect when they were both originally offered for sale.
The T610 finished up coming in only a fraction below the price of a brand new GS 1200, back in the day whereas the Eumig's were nowhere close. not the bible of course as a the measure of these things, but upon inspection you can both see and feel the difference in quality.
To my way of thinking, it is like comparing a Bosch Washing machine to one made by Hoover.
Both do a great job, one is slightly better built than the other due to the quality of components used, over time of course.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 17, 2017, 08:07 PM:
I had a 940 for a we while and its certainly a nice projector, very quiet running. I gave it away years ago for free, along with some films to the young kid who was doing projection work at the cinema at the time, now happily married....mmmm I wonder if he ever used it?
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 17, 2017, 08:17 PM:
Lets hope so Graham!
Far too good to ever be wasted!
Posted by Martin Dew (Member # 5748) on March 18, 2017, 05:31 PM:
That's good to know about the switch replacement, Paul, thanks. It seems like John White in Stanmore is great resource for Eumig parts too. I just saw Keith Wilton at Chorleywood Film Fair today - it's always good catching up with him.
Douglas, very pleased you liked Henley too. So many of the Americans I met in both San Francisco and Los Angeles who had been to the UK, seemed to know about Henley. I guess it's a classic English market town. The view from the bridge when you first come into the town is stunning - like the sky goes on into infinity! I grew up here, so it's been nice to return.
Posted by Martin Dew (Member # 5748) on March 20, 2017, 04:34 AM:
Paul, I sent you a PM if you get a chance to look at it. Many thanks, M
Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on March 20, 2017, 06:13 AM:
Some price comparisons from Movie Maker of October 1982.
Eumig S938.............£299.95
Eumig S940.............£399.95
Bauer T610.............£635
Fumeo 9119.............£862.50
Elmo GS-1200...........£869
Beaulieu 708EL Stereo..£900
Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on March 20, 2017, 07:38 AM:
Certainly a lot less (for all the projectors) than the 1990 prices I posted above.
Posted by Martin Dew (Member # 5748) on March 20, 2017, 08:02 AM:
Interesting to see what those prices mean in today's money!:
Eumig S938.............£299.95 £740.00
Eumig S940.............£399.95 £987.00
Bauer T610.............£635 £1567.00
Fumeo 9119.............£862.50 £2128.00
Elmo GS-1200...........£869 £2144.00
Beaulieu 708EL Stereo..£900 £2221.00
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 20, 2017, 10:09 AM:
Martin, I have replied to your PM, hope it is helpful.
Maurice's list of prices is very enlightening. The Eumig 938 was certainly bargain priced compared with some of the competition.
As for today's equivalent prices, my bet is that most collectors here would jump at getting a new GS1200 or Beaulieu 708 at the prices Martin has calculated.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 20, 2017, 12:38 PM:
I love seeing this review again. If i ever run into one of these in very good condition, I'd love to buy one. I have had excellent results with the 926 stereo (though I highly agree about that danged reel set-up), but would LOVE to get one of these top of the line Eumig's!
Once again, thanks for the review, Paul!
Posted by Terry Lagler (Member # 1110) on March 20, 2017, 02:44 PM:
My 938 is my go to machine and can concur they are very gentle on film. I have a Bell and Howell 33ST with a 100W Zenophot lamp and it looks as bright as the 938 with it`s 150W lamp.
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 20, 2017, 04:11 PM:
Interesting thing here Terry is that I don't think the 938 was ever sold in the USA. I got mine from Canada.
Posted by Terry Lagler (Member # 1110) on March 20, 2017, 04:27 PM:
Didn't know that Paul. I usually have to complain about what is NOT available in Canada. LOL
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