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Posted by Andrew Wilson (Member # 538) on March 25, 2006, 11:01 AM:

hello everyone,i would like to know if any other members suffer from this problem on their super8mm prints.if so how did you clear it.it happens on older prints.andy.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on March 25, 2006, 12:03 PM:

What do you mean exactly by "print drag?"

Posted by Andrew Wilson (Member # 538) on March 25, 2006, 12:17 PM:

its when the film passes thru the gate and as it reaches the lower loop its there that it becomes deformed.thats what is known as print drag.i read the article reguarding this subject in a old movie maker mag.at that time they said to use 2.22 cleanig fliud.i dont know what members would use now.andy.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 25, 2006, 01:27 PM:

This is a new one on me. [Confused]

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on March 25, 2006, 06:27 PM:

Me too. [Confused]

Sure you're not talking about the film losing its lower loop, causing the picture to roll? Otherwise I'd have to suggest the film is warped to begin with - which means it would benefit from a FilmRenew treatment.

Posted by Andrew Wilson (Member # 538) on March 25, 2006, 06:50 PM:

hello jan.youre on the right track;i can only give my views on what happend to me.its was xmas78 i got the dirty dozen digest,ran it thru my yelco and thats what happend.i asked for foxs/kens 1x400ft of banderlero and the same thing again.it didnt make a diffance pushing the thread lever to restore normal projection.i then consulted my movie maker,and sure enough thats what it said.andy.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on March 25, 2006, 10:23 PM:

Definitely sounds like the gate pressure is too strong, and this in combination with a dried-out film could cause the lower loop to be lost. (Of course, there could be perforation damage on the film itself, too.)

FilmRenew it is...

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 26, 2006, 03:39 AM:

New one on me too. Andy, was it in an April edition [Big Grin]

It's probably another way of describing "Green Film" in which case just use some "Cresclean" from Classic Home Cinema.

Kev.

Posted by Andrew Wilson (Member # 538) on March 26, 2006, 03:59 AM:

i think jan has got it in one.it was because the film was too dry,so we all had to 2.22 our films at that time.remember im talking about the past here,around 1978;so you young folk wouldnt remember.i dont think its that commom nowdays,because derann use low fade stock for all their super8 releases.who knows it may have had something to do with the now "curse of the eastman colour fade".andy

Posted by Andrew Wilson (Member # 538) on March 27, 2006, 02:36 PM:

hello jan&kev,it was first reported by bill davdison in the july 1978 issue of movie maker.he also reported on sideways wave(same issue);which was caused by uneven cutting and printing by the labs at that time.andy

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on March 27, 2006, 11:40 PM:

Now that sounds more like what happens when the film is too wide and/or the gate is too narrow... it would cause the film to bow and get slightly twisted once it enters the lower loop... is that what your problem is?
Which projector are you using?

Posted by Andrew Wilson (Member # 538) on March 29, 2006, 03:19 PM:

i have three.a gs1200,a sankyo800(the one most likely)and a bell and howelldcr21.what ya think members.andy.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 30, 2006, 05:22 AM:

It would be interesting to see a scan of this article from Movie Maker. 1978 and the film then would have been mainly on Acetate but fresh. This still sounds like bad slitting or "green" film. I do remember probs like this on my ST1200HD at that time and the use of 2.22 solving the problems. I believed it to be down to the film being too fresh.

So who's got a copy of that article? Maybe I should check to see if I have that issue amongst my small collection of Movie Maker's.

Kev.

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