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Posted by Juergen Lossau (Member # 359) on April 10, 2006, 04:25 AM:

On Saturday, GK-Film of Bielefeld (Germany) started the sale of Fuji Velvia 50D Daylight film in Super 8 cartridges. At the film fair in Waghäusel the company sold the first cartridges, called GK-Film Cinevia. You may even buy this film in 16mm and in Single 8 cartridges (12 meters). All is available.

We tested this film for smallformat magazine (new issue is out now!). It's great stuff. Very fine grained, great colors! The film costs 24,50 Euro including processing at Andec (Berlin). You can also buy this film without E6 processing.

Mr. Klose has the following email address: gk.film@web.de. His website www.film-super8.de is mainly in German but there are some English pages too.

Now it's up to us how successfull this new enterprise of Mr. Klose will be. He invested a lot to bring this film to market. Let's try it!

Juergen
www.smallformat.de

Posted by Yanis Tzortzis (Member # 434) on April 10, 2006, 06:36 AM:

This is great news; is there any interst from UK-based enterprises to import it here in Britain yet? Look forward to try it-hopefully it'll be cheaper than the 64T!

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on April 10, 2006, 06:43 AM:

All I can say is that Fuji R25 in Single 8 is Beautiful and to my eyes MUCH better than K40 ever was. And Fuji Velvia in 35mm is awesome. I can't wait!

Posted by David A. Goldfarb (Member # 582) on April 10, 2006, 07:13 AM:

It's available in the US from www.spectrafilmandvideo.com. I'm testing some right now.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on April 10, 2006, 08:03 AM:

I guess it goes without saying that this is polyester based, and if you are a fan of editing with cement on a Bolex splicer it is not going to fly. ( No, wait! I just DID say it!)

Posted by Juergen Lossau (Member # 359) on April 10, 2006, 09:16 AM:

You are wrong! It is acetate. Fuji Velvia 50 D is true daylight, true acetate and a sound strip can be added. The Kodak E 64T cannot soundstriped. We just made a test.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on April 10, 2006, 09:19 AM:

Ohman, this is so awesome. [Smile]

Sounds like this is shaping up to be the REAL replacement for K40 film, unlike Kodak's own E64T cartridge. And thanks for the Spectra link, now I won't have to order Velvia film from Germany either. [Smile]

One question though - Juergen, did you really mean to say there's 12m of film in the cart? Not 15m (50ft)?

EDIT: 64T cannot be soundstriped? Ack, why's that? It's acetate stock after all, of that I'm pretty certain... as for Steve's claim that the Velvia film was polyester-based, he was probably thinking of Fuji's Single-8 stock (the R25N and R200N cassettes available from Japan).

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on April 10, 2006, 09:49 AM:

If I'm wrong, I am happy to be! (...at least in this case. Most of the time, not so much!)

Besides, it wasn't really a claim, more of an assumption out for a reality check!

Posted by Juergen Lossau (Member # 359) on April 10, 2006, 04:53 PM:

Hi Jan,

Fuji Vevia is 15m in the Super 8 cart but 12m in the Single 8 cart because this is normally filled by 30% thinner polyester film.

We made several tests with E64T in professional striping companies - all failed to stripe the E64T. With Fuji Velvia (GK-Film Cinevia) there is no problem. Kodak knows about the problem but doesn't know the reason...

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on April 10, 2006, 05:14 PM:

Seems to me that there is no contest. Think I'll get both my single 8 and super 8 cameras out of moth balls and give this new Fuji product a go. Just hope the Widescreen Centre starts to stock it.

Kev.

Posted by Tim Christian (Member # 48) on April 11, 2006, 04:54 PM:

quote:
We made several tests with E64T in professional striping companies - all failed to stripe the E64T. With Fuji Velvia (GK-Film Cinevia) there is no problem. Kodak knows about the problem but doesn't know the reason...

Posted by Tim Christian (Member # 48) on April 11, 2006, 04:56 PM:

quote:
We made several tests with E64T in professional striping companies - all failed to stripe the E64T. With Fuji Velvia (GK-Film Cinevia) there is no problem. Kodak knows about the problem but doesn't know the reason...

I presume you mean laminate striped. Surely, if 64T can be cement spliced, it can be laminate striped. Have you tried paste striping, as for polyester base? EVT Magnetics still do it in the UK.

Posted by Juergen Lossau (Member # 359) on April 12, 2006, 11:05 AM:

Hi Tim,
I can only tell you that a professional company from Vienna (Austria) and one more from Berlin (Germany) took the same technique as they did for over 30 years with the Kodachrome 40 and the striping DID NOT keep on any E64T but it did on every Velvia 50 D (like GK-Film Cinevia or Wittnerchrome V50D). Kodak does not know the reason yet.

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on April 13, 2006, 04:12 AM:

quote:
I presume you mean laminate striped. Surely, if 64T can be cement spliced, it can be laminate striped. Have you tried paste striping, as for polyester base? EVT Magnetics still do it in the UK.

I suppose the paste striping is possible on the 64T, but it could be a hard problems for the filmakers. A lot of us has the Weberling machine for laminated striping. The machine to stripe by a magnetic past is very rare to find, and it's hard to find the paste. At last: I know the quality sound of the paste stripes is worst, and the worn of the heads is higher than the laminated stripes.
So I will not use a film where the laminated striping is impossible.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on April 26, 2006, 05:05 AM:

I can`t help thinking that putting out a 64 asa its part of creeping out of super 8 on Kodaks part, they know even a 50 would mean most people are OK, also not as good as the 40!!!! with theextra stop hassle etc they know people will just pick up the digital job or go to fuji etc.
Seems like an exit stratergy to me!!!!!!
best Mark.

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on April 26, 2006, 08:32 AM:

http://www.filmshooting.com/scripts/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13692&highlight=striping++main+track:

quote:
I have partlly successfully striped 2 little films shot on 64T(30 meters and 40 meters : Main track only).

But it wasn 't easy at all !

I had to clean the film three times with "Filmreineger" sold by Wittner.

I have projected this films 4 or 5 times since they have been striped .

They run well with good sound , but it appears that the track is still enough strongly spliced in one or two single points that I will repair.

I think that this stock is more "lubricated" than K40 or Plus-X , and then have to be "dry" a lot before striping ....

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on April 28, 2006, 12:10 PM:

As stated in my Amsterdam thread, I have ordered a couple of cartridges AND the pressure plate from GK. Hopefully I shan't have to chuck my beautiful Bauers away.

GK's price includes processing - I'd be VERY surprised [Roll Eyes]

Kev, if the Widescreen Centre can come anywhere close. We'll just have to wait and see.

Cheers,

Dave.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on April 29, 2006, 08:11 AM:

Very true about Kodak's apparent disregard for the fact most super-8 cameras don't handle the ASA64 setting. Curious indeed... Myself, I just picked up a beautiful Bauer Royal 8E Makro from eBay Germany, and there is a website explaining how to adjust the light meters in Bauer cameras, but I just might take the easy way out and film exclusively with manual exposure (using the automatic exposure as a guide, then closing down by about one f-stop manually).

Almost forgot the link [Roll Eyes]

http://film.project-consultant.net/html/adams64_new_cams.html

Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on May 03, 2006, 06:50 AM:

My last K40 is in the camera, been putting off ordering as i've not been sure what to order instead. So followed the easy link on this thread and ordered a couple of the Fuji process paid carts from Germany, pricewise not much more than the old K40.
That pressure plate seems like a good idea as I have had the odd film developed in the past that has been very unstable on projection and had obviously happened in the camera. I'd put it down to a tight / dodgy cartridge. This little device would seem to insure againt that, all though the price prohibited me from ordering one this time.

Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on May 25, 2006, 04:15 AM:

Just got off the phone to EVT Magnetics, good news as they say they have not had problems striping Kodak 64T.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on May 25, 2006, 04:19 AM:

Mark,

Kodak made a few batches of super 8 carts which were well known for their unstable picture. I think they were produced in early 2004. There were details about this on the Kodak website sometime a go. The problem was resolved.

How long are we going to be able to get this Fuji super 8 I wonder?

Kev.

Posted by Joerg Niggemann (Member # 611) on May 25, 2006, 04:38 AM:

Fuji Velvia 50 in Super8 cartridge is sold out at Wittner and GK Film for the moment. GK says that they will be able to offer the V50 within 3 weeks again. Wittner states that Fuji has discontinued the V50 material. Both are about to offer Super8 cartridges with the new Velvia 100, which is said to have less (!) grain than V50.

Jörg

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