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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on February 24, 2007, 06:58 AM:

Can anyone provide me with the editing schedule to Deranns "Robin Hood - Parts 1 - 4"? I have at last obtained these parts and although I did re-edit the film over twenty years ago in the correct order, the memory is a little faded. haveing obtained these near mint extracts I don't want to ruin them with unneccesary splices. Many thanks in anticipation of help. Regards Keith

Posted by Barry Attwood (Member # 100) on February 25, 2007, 02:39 AM:

Dear Keith,

Why not get in contact with Keith Wilton, as he was the original editor of all 4 extracts, and as he's a "Robin Hood" legend, he should be able to help you out.

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on February 25, 2007, 02:58 AM:

Hi Barry, I have already contacted "Wilton of Ealing" who has very kindly offered to dig out the details for me. Unfortunately, the "Great One" is very busy at the moment and it may be sometime before he gets into the "Vaults".
I don't want to pester Keith and being an impatient "Son of a Gun" I thought I would ask the Forum. If no one has it then I am sure that Keith Wilton will "come up trumps" in the end. many thanks for your help. Regards Keith

Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on July 10, 2015, 05:58 AM:

Just got a copy of Derann's 'The Adventures of Robin Hood', but not sure what I have, as follows one very full metal 10.5" (800ft?) reel and one very full 600ft reel, could this be the 4 x 400 digests?. As I still have projector problems, can forum members shed any light on this print please...

Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on July 23, 2015, 07:23 AM:

I ran the film with-out a lens, the sound varies from edited splice to edited splice, sound level from very low to belting. Question should I re-record sound from tack 1 to balance track 2, and adjust sound level manually to give constant level play-back on balance track 2?, any thoughts or advice...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 23, 2015, 07:34 AM:

A lot of stereo recording editors or projectors do allow either manual or automated level control during recording.
Auto will compensate between the high and the lows from track 1 onto track 2 as it attempts to maintain 0db, but I doubt it would perform miracles in that you could play back after recording just using track 2 and the sound would then be uniform throughout.

If it were me, I would just record the whole thing again on both tracks simultaneously in Stereo if I could recreate a decent digital master.

If this isn't possible, I would give it a go in auto mode first and if still dissatisfied then try to improve it by going over it again on track 2 from track 1 by using the manual level control.

The results then would be down to the skill of maintaining a constant level by yourself more during recording.

By playing back in duo mode it should be improved at the very least.

If you manage to successfully raise the level of the low level sections onto track 2, you could then record track 2 back to track 1 to further attempt to normalize the whole film.
The parts that are "belting" just record on track 2 in Auto to maintain the level Steve.

[ July 23, 2015, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on July 23, 2015, 07:49 AM:

Thanks Andrew, my DCT allows track to track recording via the old 5 pin din plug, or maybe I could go monitor 1 out to DIN recording in to track 2, and thus control the out-put level via the volume out-put of track 1, keeping the recording level constant...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 23, 2015, 08:17 AM:

Let me know how you get on Steve, my Goko RM8008 is superb at track to track recording. Maybe I could assist you if your results don't meet your expectations Steve.

Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on July 23, 2015, 08:37 AM:

Thanks Andrew, as soon as I get my lens sorted and I can see the scenes that need boosting, I can write down the points when I have to increase and decrease and it should work out OK, I hope (looking up to-wards Heaven)...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 23, 2015, 09:31 AM:

Best of luck then Steve and hope you soon get your lens situation sorted out. [Smile]

Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on July 31, 2015, 07:41 AM:

This is my rough design for the cover of 'The Adventures of Robin Hood'...

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on July 31, 2015, 11:02 AM:

Nice bit of cover art going on there Steve, I have this 4 part derann film, but I have the plastic book style case's.

Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on July 31, 2015, 12:24 PM:

Thanks Paul, I got this 4 part Derann while my projector was down, now I have watched it I knew of the sound level probs from splice to splice, but the colour is on the turn on some parts, plus the Maid Marion section is very very soft focus. So you win some, you lose some, but a yellow/green glass filter brings it back to life, and it is a good film. I've viewed it about 4 times since you fixed my lens Paul...

Posted by John Hunter (Member # 4925) on August 14, 2015, 05:37 AM:

Keith. Its some time ago, but do you still require the correct run for the ROBIN HOOD film. I have found the correct editing for parts 1 to 3. I am still looking for part 4 sequence; have seen it somewhere.

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 14, 2015, 11:30 AM:

Thanks for the offer John, but no I don't require it anymore as I have the Red Fox feature length print.

Unfortunately, this post has been "ressurected" recently by other collectors, not by myself.

Posted by John Hunter (Member # 4925) on August 14, 2015, 12:25 PM:

OK Keith. I also have the feature, plus the 4 extracts. I tend to run the edited version to save the feature!!

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on August 15, 2015, 11:07 AM:

To be honest the 4th extract ruins the flow of the 3x400 and the differences in colour stand out like a sore thumb. Better to have the feature and / or the 3x400.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 15, 2015, 01:06 PM:

This is one of the incredible things that I love about the film forums, all this info that you would think would be potentially lost over time, but still exists out there and is a help to this very day!

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