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Posted by Eric Baucher (Member # 809) on May 11, 2007, 06:00 PM:

in every catalog I have seen there is no movie for catalog number F38, anybody have one that lists what this film was? Is it in your collection maybe?

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 11, 2007, 11:02 PM:

Eric,

Hmmmmm....a similar mystery exists with the case of the missing MGM digest M31. That particular enigma has driven many a collector mad. Well, actually only poor Mike Peckham.

We did a thread of Ken's Fox releases awhile back and came up with this list:

F1-St. Valentine's Day Massacre
F2-Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid
F3-The Robe
F4-The Three Musketeers
F5-The Longest Day
F6-The Boston Strangler
F7-100 Rifles
F8-The Day The Earth Stood Still
F9-Curse Of The Fly
F10-The French Connection
F11-M.A.S.H.
F12-Patton
F12A-Patton's Speech (the opening sequence)
F13-Viva Zapata
F14-Sound Of Music
F15-The Young Lions
F16-Buffalo Bill
F17-Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines
F18-The Poseidon Adventure
F19-Tora! Tora! Tora!
F20-The Desert Fox
F21-Jesse James
F22-The Detective
F23-The Tall Men
F24-One Million Years B.C.
F25-The Bible
F26-Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
F27-The Sand Pebbles
F28-Titanic
F29-There's No Business Like Show Business
F30-The Blue Max
F31-Sodom and Gomorah
F32-French Connection II
F33-Sky Riders
F34-My Darling Clementine
F35-Von Ryan's Express
F36-Desiree
F37-Flight of the Phoenix
F38-
F39-Our Man Flint
F40-Emperor of the North
F41-The King & I
F42-A Farewell To Arms
F43-Bandolero
F44-Carousel
F45-Love Is A Many Splendored Thing
F46-The Seven Year Itch
F47-Can Can
F48-Star Wars
F49-The Omen
F50-Damien Omen 2
F51-Silver Streak
F52-Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
F53-The Turning Point
F54-Damnation Alley
F55-The Seven Ups
F56-Dirty Mary Crazy Larry
F57-Sherlock Holmes Smarter Brother
F58-Butch and Sundance: The Early Days
F59-Towering Inferno
F59-1,2,3 Towering Inferno parts 1-3
F60-Alien
F61-The Rose
F62-Rocky Horror Picture Show
F63-Empire Strikes Back part 1
F64 Star Wars part 2
F65-Empire Strikes Back part 2

We never did find F38......

Doug

Posted by Eric Baucher (Member # 809) on May 13, 2007, 11:25 AM:

hey I have never seen those "part twos" was empire ever done in a 200 sound version or just 400? I also never knew they had a three part towering inferno either.........guess there even more thing around than I thought, do you know about how many Mountain film horror sci-fi releases there are? I have about five. and I really wish I had a columbia catalog as well.

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on May 13, 2007, 12:15 PM:

Maybe it was "The Invisible Man?"

[Big Grin]

sorry could not resist [Big Grin]

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 13, 2007, 12:48 PM:

Eric,

Here's a Columbia thread with a list.

Doug

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on May 14, 2007, 06:03 PM:

"was empire ever done in a 200 sound version or just 400"

I remember a 1980s Derann Open Day I was at when, during the auction, Derek sold off several new unboxed 200' b/w silent editions of 'Empire' that they had for 50p each! I presume they must have been amongst the stock when Derann bought the last of Ken's stock.

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on May 15, 2007, 12:39 AM:

Yes, ESB was available in 200ft (Hoth Battle + asteroid field). It was striped and had an audio tape for sound included in the box.
Search the Forum, I put some pictures somewhere a couple of years ago.

Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on May 15, 2007, 02:52 AM:

Was it COFFY with Pam Grier??

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 15, 2007, 09:51 AM:

Mark,

Ken had a very curious stock numbering system. The Fox films (naturally enough) all had the prefix "F", except for the "Planet of the Apes" series which were PL-1, PL-2, etc. "Coffy" (#297) was from American International Pictures to which Ken only assigned three digit numbers. A "P" in front of a three digit number designated Paramount. Their older silent films retained the stock numbers from the original companies (United Artists & Republic). Sorry....too much info.....

Doug

Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on May 15, 2007, 01:20 PM:

Doug,
Well that is a very unusual numbering system indeed!
I wonder if we will ever find out what KEN movie F38 is???

Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on May 16, 2007, 07:55 AM:

One thing I noticed in Ken releases, the listing does go to F37, skips to F39, then there is also a gap fromthere to F43, no F44 and no F46 - However, this flyer I have is early '78 and the announcement on back indicates new releases for May of that year F41, 42, 44 and 46 - Point is, F38 came about later in the year, so it's a matter of locating a brochure or catalong for the remainder of 1978-79 and the mysterious F38 will be revealed - Shorty

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on May 16, 2007, 08:17 AM:

Joe, except that F44 (Carousel) and F46 (Seven Year Itch) do exist...

Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on May 16, 2007, 04:30 PM:

Yes, and maybe Phil Johnson or Steve Osborne might know

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 17, 2007, 12:11 AM:

Hey hey!!

I figured it out! The "F" stands for FOX, as in FOX films, so all we have to do is list all FOX films up the year that F38 came out, take out the ones that are already listed,
and that should leave,

Oh, I don't know, a couple hundred to pick from.

Eh, eh?!!

Posted by Eric Baucher (Member # 809) on May 19, 2007, 07:15 PM:

if any body has one of those unboxed ESB films I'd like one......the silent one that is....... [Smile]

Posted by Carter Bradley (Member # 984) on December 18, 2007, 03:30 AM:

Hello. I can actually solve this mystery. Ken Films F38 would have been "The Rains of Ranchipur" starring Lana Turner and Richard Burton. I know this because some time back I purchased a number of unused box covers which would have been sent to photo shops and dealers in order to advertise Ken Films. F38 was included, but obviously the film was never released. The size of this film box cover in consistent with surrounding releases, and obviously a 400' print was planned, but never produced. The artwork includes the standard "Super 8" lable in the upper right-hand corner, and copyright 1955 by 20th Century Fox on the right hand spine. I hope this helps!

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on December 18, 2007, 04:29 AM:

Waauw.....that is interesting.

Can you post the photo here please.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

Cheers,

winbert

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on December 18, 2007, 06:34 AM:

Wow, Carter, your first contribution to this forum contains prime informations. Kudos and welcome.

Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on December 18, 2007, 02:45 PM:

I'm hailing you already as the new film-finding box king! - Shorty

Posted by Eric Baucher (Member # 809) on December 18, 2007, 05:43 PM:

could you please post a pic of that box slick? Id love to see it!! I remember that slick auction, it was an estate buyer and some must have worked for Ken films it seemed. Large collection of films. thats great thanks for that info!!!

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on December 18, 2007, 11:56 PM:

Carter,

Welcome to the Forum and many thanks for solving a mystery!

Doug

Posted by Carter Bradley (Member # 984) on December 21, 2007, 03:18 PM:

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on December 21, 2007, 04:17 PM:

I must add my thanks to Carter - the above is a sensational 'scoop' for the forum! I wonder what went wrong and prevented this release from appearing?

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 21, 2007, 05:50 PM:

Well at long last that mystery is now solved. Carter, welcome to the forum...enjoy [Smile]

Kev.

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on December 22, 2007, 02:08 PM:

Mr. Bradley- I salute you.

This is a neat discovery. You've done well [Cool]

.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

James.

Posted by Carter Bradley (Member # 984) on January 05, 2008, 11:32 AM:

Hello Gentlemen. Could you help clarify something for me. Yesterday in this forum in place of the scanned Ken Films F-38 box I had provided`was a photo of someone I do not recognize with a statement using profanity which suggested that I had provided an illegal item. If I have done something illegal or incorrect, please advise. In order to provide the F-38 item, I merely went to Kinko's copies and scanned the box top and then added it to this forum. Since I used original material that I own, and scanned it myself, have I broken any rules of the forum? Thank you for your asistance. Carter [Confused]

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on January 05, 2008, 03:33 PM:

Carter, don't worry, it's nothing you've done wrong. This is something that has come up before; I can't explain it exactly (though I'm sure somone else will be able to) but it's something to do with the fire wall on your computer. When I look at the image you uploaded it appears to me as the box art from the F38 film, just as it should do.

Mike [Smile]

ps I'm sure Kev or Doug will be able to give a fuller explanation of why this unpleasant glitch sometimes appears... [Wink]

Posted by Carter Bradley (Member # 984) on January 05, 2008, 03:54 PM:

Hi Mike.
Thank you for your response and time. I appreciate it.
Carter

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