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checking that it's on polyestar stock. If it's not, it can't be a Derann Release.

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Occasional non-polyester prints slipped through too; I used to have a print of the 600' version of 'The Fog' that was acetate for some reason.

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 13, 2007, 06:35 AM:
 
As far as I know all the Derann Disney's were on Agfa Polyester stock..

I'm sure the first Derann Disney release "Little Mermaid" was on Agfa but I will check tonight. None of the Disney's were on Eastman so there shouldn't be any fade.

Derann did use Eastman way back but then changed to Kodak LPP before spending many years on Agfa. Since the demise of Agfa they have gone back to the Kodak stocks. As far as I am aware the Eastman to Kodak LPP switch-over happened well before the Disney deal took place so no Disney's would be on fading stock.

Cinderella has superb colour and sound on the Derann release.

Kev.
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on June 13, 2007, 02:16 PM:
 
Regarding the questions:

I bought all my Derann prints only direclty from Derann and CHC and Paul Foster and I always had been told they were original Derann prints.

I'm absolutely sure it is polyester and non acetate and the leaders are typical of the Derann prints without any splice present.

Here it a scanned image of my print (2nd reel at the beginning)



I can assure all my other Derann prints are completely different in colors (even the The Little Mermaid!)

Flavio

[ June 14, 2007, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Flavio Stabile ]
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 13, 2007, 05:15 PM:
 
Flavio, My copy of Mermaid is on Agfa polyester stock. Its therefore likely that Cinderella will also be on Agfa as that was released later than Mermaid.

That scan does make it look like your print is fadeing. What edge markings have you got along the sprocket edge of the film.

My copy of Cinders is on Agfa (AG1S) with grey stripe and is slightly warmer than the norm but its not down to fade. Overall its a nice print and very sharp.

Anyway I presume you have just got this print or have you just viewed it again after some years? If you have just got the print I would suggest you send it straight back.

Kev.
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on June 13, 2007, 06:59 PM:
 
Joerg - That's true with regard to the early print of 'The Fog' 600' I had; in fact the film was overflowing the reel due to it not being polyestar, which isn't the case with the polyestar print I know have. However, 'The Fog' was released around the mid 1980s and I suspect that the print in question would have been one of the last Derann releases to not entirely be printed on polyestar stock. I think the release of 'Cinderella' coincided with the video release of 1995. It appears that I'm wrong in saying that it can't be a Derann print, but I should have said instead that there's no way that a Derann polyestar print from that period could have faded. I think it's far more likely that a lab error has caused a poor colour balance. I have a few films printed in the 1970s that look somewhat faded, but they looked that way when they were released!
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 14, 2007, 12:23 AM:
 
Man..your print is trully fading!!!

(it seems that my previous post regarding a faded "Alien" print that was offered at Ebay was a true case!)

cheers,
 

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Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on June 14, 2007, 02:50 AM:
 
I'm with Adrian on this one - most likely a duff print.
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 14, 2007, 04:57 AM:
 
I think after looking at my reel two last night and that same shot that it is a little on the warm side. It looks like it's more to do with the balance by the lab or the original neg but it's certainly not print fade.

Kev.
 

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Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on June 14, 2007, 10:08 AM:
 
For what it's worth, checked my Derann print too, (bought it at the beginning of the year for our grand-daughter's birthday party). It's perfect! Not even a warm tone like Kevin's.

Send it back, I'd say, not with any malice aforethought, but just ask Derann to check it out for themselves.

Good luck.
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on June 14, 2007, 11:01 AM:
 
Thanks to everyone!

I remember now I bought it from Derann last september and I have already written to Gary explaining the situation and mentioning this topic (hoping he will read it!)

Kevin, now I'm at work but this evening I will check the edge markings along the sprocket edge of the film and let you know here.

I will also try to post some other scanned frames to let you see other movie scenes.

Flavio
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on June 14, 2007, 02:31 PM:
 
I ve just checked my print of Cinderella (reel 2) and it's perfect. Vivid colours. I don't know what stock it's on and can't find my magnifier (eyes are not what they used to be ) but it's LPP with brown mag stripes. Flavio's must be a faulty print. I wouldn't think this is faded.
By the way Winbert, your wrong on ALIENS. It is not faded at all, that is the colour pallette on that particular scene, that was displayed on E-Bay photograph,(checked my print last night - perfect in every way).
Hope you get to the solution of your problem Flavio. Derann are most accomodating when it comes to problems on quality.
Regards Keith
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on June 14, 2007, 03:39 PM:
 
Well, along the sprocket edge of the film I read AG3S

Here they are two other scanned frames from Cinderella

Reel 1:



Reel 3:



While instead, these are taken from Peter Pan, just as a comparison



and the second



Flavio
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 14, 2007, 05:28 PM:
 
Flavio,

It does appear to have fade to the film, which is evident by the sprocket area. I wonder how this particular print was stored? Even LPP. can fade if stored in a very hot environment, (lets say an outdoor storage facility)

Anybody else run into any faded LPP prints? I had a print of "Who Dares Wins" which, while not horribly faded, didn't have naturalistic colours anymore, (and the edges clearly said LPP)
 

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Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on June 15, 2007, 05:42 AM:
 
Definitely think it's a faulty print, Flavio.

Try to get it changed if you can. It certainly shouldn't look like that - unless you're projecting with a lamp of 1 candle power - or an actual candle!!!!

Best,
 

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Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on June 15, 2007, 05:53 AM:
 
Why is the stripe different between Cinderella and Peter Pan?

LPP stock can still suffer from fade but hopefully is a rarity. I still think it's more likely this is how the print looked. Remember all prints vary from batch to batch. They're not all going to be perfect.
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on June 15, 2007, 08:02 AM:
 
Well, all my movies are stored in the same place, side by side, in my hobby room where the temperature is absolutely normal. I don't know why even the magnetic stripes beetween Peter Pan and Cinderella look like different in color, but this is how they are.
Anyway I must say that Gary has just now offered to inspect the copy if I return it back to him
I remember to have got it in this condition, but only now, after a comparison with the DVD I bought last weekend I have noticed the real beautiful colors againt the ones of my Super 8 copy. I have so decided to open a topic here, asking if Cinderella had been really printed in this way, or my copy had some problem...

Flavio
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 15, 2007, 08:37 AM:
 
Flavio, Thats Agfa Type 3S which is the last of the Agfa Polyester print material.

It will NOT be fade but has probably been printed like that. I will run my copy over the weekend and see how it looks mine is on Agfa 1S which means its one of the earlier Agfa Low Fade stocks.

Does your copy have brown or grey stripe?

Kev.
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on June 15, 2007, 10:16 AM:
 
HI Kevin, thanks!
Cinderella has brown stripe!

Flavio
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 15, 2007, 11:57 AM:
 
All very strange as I thought the grey stripe was the latest and the brown the earlier and yet I have grey stripe on Agfa 1S and you have brown on Agfa 3S.

I was trying to find info on Agfa film stocks and dates but couldn't find anything.
Be reassured though that Agfa wont fade.....well not during our lifetimes

Kev.
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on June 15, 2007, 01:20 PM:
 
This is encouraging (AGFA doesn't fade, I mean) but I cannot find the cause of my copy with these colours...
Anyway, i have already done a packet and tomorrow morning i will ship to Gary to have his opinion after his inspection.

Thanks to everyone here, for your suggestions!

Flavio
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on June 20, 2007, 10:53 AM:
 
Hi Kevin

I was wondering if you had the chance to check your copy during past week-end and let me know something about your print colors...

Thanks
Flavio
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 22, 2007, 12:40 AM:
 

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