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Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on October 25, 2007, 01:47 PM:

Ok, I've started listing again, this time it's Universal 8 400fters. I've put together as good a list as I can from my own collection, and those that I can find in old catalogues.

Edit: Doug has posted a far more comprehensive list further down this thread so I have removed mine to save confusion.

Mike [Cool]

[ October 26, 2007, 03:02 AM: Message edited by: Mike Peckham ]

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on October 25, 2007, 02:27 PM:

7044 + 45 = The Blues Brothers

Posted by Trevor Adams (Member # 42) on October 25, 2007, 03:16 PM:

4014 is Duck Soup [Smile]

Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on October 25, 2007, 03:28 PM:

Jaws 7010 & 7011 .....Mark

Posted by Mark Howard (Member # 870) on October 25, 2007, 03:40 PM:

4203 - Day of the Jackal
4219 - My Name is Nobody
4022 - The Mummy's Tomb
4031 - In the Navy

Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on October 25, 2007, 04:17 PM:

Just a thought and i'm not 100% Rooster Cogburn John Wayne ,wasn't this released as a 400ft by universal?

Posted by Mark Howard (Member # 870) on October 25, 2007, 04:30 PM:

Yes Mark, Rooster Cogburn was 4236

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 26, 2007, 12:04 AM:

Mike,

I've taken the liberty of re-listing the films. I went through the few U-8 catalogs I have and came up with:

4001 The Incredible Shrinking Man
4002 The Invisible Man
4003 Frankenstein
4004 The Bride of Frankenstein
4005 The Wolfman
4006 Dracula (1931)
4007 A&C In Society
4008 A&C Meet the Keystone Cops
4009 Psycho
4010 It’s A Gift
4011 Monkey Business
4012 The Raven
4013 Horse Feathers
4014 Duck Soup
4015 The Mummy's Ghost
4016 A&C Go to Mars
4017 I’m No Angel
4018 If I Had a Million
4019 The Mummy
4020 Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman
4021 Son of Frankenstein
4022 The Mummy's Tomb
4023 A&C Meet the Mummy
4024 The Wistful Widow Of Wagon Gap
4025 A&C Meet Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
4026 A&C Meet Frankenstein
4027 A&C in the Foreign Legion
4028 Mexican Hayride
4029 Buck Privates Come Home
4030 Keep ‘em Flying
4031 In The Navy
4032 You Can’t Cheat an Honest Man
4033 Never Give a Sucker an Even Break
4034 The Old Fashioned Way
4035 You're Telling Me
4036 The Bank Dick

4201 Frenzy
4202 The Birds
4203 The Day of the Jackal
4204 Thoroughly Modern Millie
4205 Airport
4206 Earthquake
4207 Jesus Christ Superstar
4208 The Great Waldo Pepper
4209 This Island Earth
4210 Duel
4211 That Man Bolt
4212 The Don is Dead
4213 The Eiger Sanction
4214 Charley Varick
4215 Dr Cyclops
4216 ?
4217 SSSSSS
4218 Sweet Charity
4219 My Name Is Nobody
4220 Change of Habit
4221 Family Plot
4222 Midway
4223 Airport ‘75
4224 Phantom of the Opera
4225 Flower Drum Song
4226 Tell them Willie Boy is Here
4227 Swashbuckler
4228 The Car
4229 Two Minute Warning
4230 Silent Running
4231 Madigan
4232 ?
4233 ?
4234 ?
4235 ?
4236 Roster Cogburn (and the Lady)
4237 National Lampoon's Disco Beaver from Outer Space
4238 ?
4239 ?
4240 ?
4241 ?
4242 Dracula '79 (Promo)
4243 Battlestar Galactica
4244 Jaws 2
4245 The Sting
4246 Smokey and the Bandit
4247 National Lampoon's Animal House
4248 Slap Shot

4277 Airport '77

4301 Creature From The Black Lagoon (3D)
4302 It Came From Outer Space (3D)

4401 Ali vs. Shavers
4402 Ali vs. Spinks (Highlights)
4403 Ali vs. Dunn
4404 Ali vs. Chuvalo
4405 Ali vs. Wepner
4406 Norton vs. Holmes
4450 Ali vs. Patterson
4451 Louis vs. Conn
4452 Robinson vs. Turpin
4453 Marciano vs. Lastarza
4454 Patterson vs. Johansson (Fight 1)
4455 Patterson vs. Johansson (Fight 2)
4456 Walcott vs. Charles

4491 Ali vs. Spinks (Rounds 1-4)
4492 Ali vs. Spinks (Rounds 5-8)
4493 Ali vs. Spinks (Rounds 9-12)
4494 Ali vs. Spinks (Rounds 13-15)

Pirate Treasure (12 chapter serial)
4501 Stolen Treasure
4502 The Death Plunge
4503 The Wheels of Fate
4504 The Sea Chase
4505 Into the Depths
4506 The Death Crash
4507 Crashing Doom
4508 Mutiny
4509 Hidden Gold
4510 Fight for the Treasure
4511 The Total Plunge
4512 Captured

4601 Circus Story (Emergency +4 Cartoon)

Best of......(silent Castle Headline editions on 400' reels)
4901 The Best of Horror (Part 1)
4902 The Best of Horror (Part 2)
4903 The Best of Abbott & Costello (Part 1)
4904 The Best of Abbott & Costello (Part 2)
4905 The Best of W.C. Fields
4951 The Best of Woody Woodpecker (Part 1)
4952 The Best of Woody Woodpecker (Part 2)

Two parters:
7000 Buck Rogers (Part 1)
7001 Buck Rogers (Part 2)
7002 Battlstar Galactica (Part 1)
7003 Battlstar Galactica (Part 2)
7004 Slap Shot (Part 1)
7005 Slap Shot (Part 2)
7006 The Hindenburg (Part 1)
7007 The Hindenburg (Part 2)
7008 The Sting (Part 1)
7009 The Sting (Part 2)
7010 Jaws (Part 1)
7011 Jaws (Part 2)
7012 Smokey and the Bandit (Part 1)
7013 Smokey and the Bandit (Part 2)
7014 National Lampoon's Animal House (Part 1)
7015 National Lampoon's Animal House (Part 2)
7016 High Plains Drifter (Part 1)
7017 High Plains Drifter (Part 2)
7018 Sugarland Express (Part 1)
7019 Sugarland Express (Part 2)
7020 The Jerk (Part 1)
7021 The Jerk (Part 2)
7022 Dracula (1979) (Part 1)
7023 Dracula (1979) (Part 2)
7024 Airport ‘80-The Concorde (Part 1)
7025 Airport ‘80-The Concorde (Part 2)
7026 The Incredible Hulk (Originally released outside US and Canada only) (Part 1)
7027 The Incredible Hulk (Part 2)
7028 The Electric Horseman (Part 1)
7029 The Electric Horseman (Part 2)
7030 Mission Galactica: The Cylon Attack (Part 1)
7031 Mission Galactica: The Cylon Attack (Part 2)
7032 1941 (Part 1)
7033 1941 (Part 2)
7034 Paradise Alley (Part 1)
7035 Paradise Alley (Part 2)
7036 Little Miss Marker (Part 1)
7037 Little Miss Marker (Part 2)
7038 The Nude Bomb (Part 1)
7039 The Nude Bomb (Part 2)
7040 Ffolkes (North Sea Hijack) (Part 1)
7041 Ffolkes (North Sea Hijack) (Part 2)
7042 The Island (Part 1)
7043 The Island (Part 2)
7044 The Blues Brothers (Part 1)
7045 The Blues Brothers (Part 2)
7046 Smokey and the Bandit II (Part 1)
7047 Smokey and the Bandit II (Part 2)
7048 Coal Miner’s Daughter (Part 1)
7049 Coal Miner’s Daughter (Part 2)
7050 Xanadu (Part 1)
7051 Xanadu (Part 2)
7052 The Incredible Shrinking Woman (Part 1)
7053 The Incredible Shrinking Woman (Part 2)

7100 The Journey of Robert F. Kennedy (Part 1)
7101 The Journey of Robert F. Kennedy (Part 2)
7102 The Journey of Robert F. Kennedy (Part 3)
7103 The Journey of Robert F. Kennedy (Part 4)

7800-7806 Hell's Angels
7807-7811 Scarface (1932)

7900 Richard Pryor Live In Concert (Part 1)
7901 Richard Pryor Live In Concert (Part 2)
7902 Richard Pryor Live In Concert (Part 3)
7903 Richard Pryor Live In Concert (Part 4)

Barry Atwood says that somewhere out there is a 2x400 of "Cheech & Chong's Next Movie".

Doug

[ March 01, 2010, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Douglas Meltzer ]

Posted by Pablo Alvarez Roth (Member # 655) on October 26, 2007, 12:47 AM:

The Blues Brothers on super 8!!, you have to be kidding me, my alltime favorate flic, wow!, I have to get me that. anyone have a clue if anyone has one for sale. Pleeeseeee!!!..

Cheers
Pablo.

Posted by Barry Attwood (Member # 100) on October 26, 2007, 02:07 AM:

Pablo,

Yes it's quite a nice 2x400', but it's a bit rare, as this came out in Universal 8's last wave of releases, and there was not many printed, and if you see one you will have to pay a high price.

Doug is right, I have a Universal 8 catalogue that states that there were for U.S./Canada consumption a 2x400' of "Cheech and Chongs Next Movie", personally I've never seen one this side of the pond, but what about you U.S. collectors have you ever seen it?

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on October 26, 2007, 02:59 AM:

Hello Chaps

Thanks for the additions, and Doug many thanks for putting up your list, I shall edit my first post and remove my list to save confusion, and then perhaps you could update yours with any additional titles we find?

These lists make a useful point of reference; it’s also interesting to know what was on offer and what might potentially be lurking out there on dealer’s lists.

I’m already starting to wonder whether we have another M31 situation going on with #7012 & #7013 … [Roll Eyes]

Mike

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on October 26, 2007, 03:29 AM:

I don't know what 4247 is, but 4248 is "Slapshot" (400ft)

Pablo : it took me ten years to find one print of the Blues Brothers. I hope you'll be luckier in your search.

Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on October 26, 2007, 03:58 AM:

hmmm .... I got a print of "Blues Brothers" few years ago and sold it fast again .... was disappointed about the editing.

http://www.capital.net/com/jaytp/CASTLE.HTM

Posted by Eberhard Nuffer (Member # 410) on October 26, 2007, 07:21 AM:

I may be wrong, but I always thought that apart from the two-parters listed, there were also single 400ft-editions of "Sugarland Express" and "National Lampoon's Animal House". Can anyone confirm this?
Was there also a two-parter of "Smokey and the Bandit"?
Did the the scope editions always carry the same order numers as their flat counterparts?

Add two full-length features:

7800-7806 Hell's Angels
7807-7811 Scarface - Shame of the Nation

Best,

Eberhard

Posted by Mark Howard (Member # 870) on October 26, 2007, 09:32 AM:

A couple of other features: Richard Pryor Live in Concert (Pts 1 - 4 numbered 7900 - 7903), The Journey of Robert E. Kennedy (Pts 1 - 4 numbered 7100 - 7103)

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 26, 2007, 10:37 AM:

Thanks for the updates!

Eberhard,

You're correct about Animal House & Smokey. I just don't have the numbers.

Mike,

I believe the two part Smokey will have the numbers 7012 & 13. Sorry, no M31 mystery!

Mark,

The Pryor concert was on the list. I've added the 4 part RFK.

Doug

Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on October 26, 2007, 12:08 PM:

I bought The Blues Brothers 2x400' (or should I say "2x300'"?)when it was released, and it was indeed one of the very last gasps of Universal 8. I remember at the time it took forever to receive it, and shortly thereafter Universal 8 folded up shop.

Posted by Eric Baucher (Member # 809) on October 26, 2007, 07:37 PM:

.and the want list gets longer... [Smile]

thanks for all the effort by everyone!

Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on October 27, 2007, 02:58 AM:

Another great list, thanks guys.

My vote for favourite is the Ali vs Shavers 400ft. It got fight of the year, round of the year (15) and was the last successful defense Ali made of his World heavyweight title.

It is a very close fight and has excitment all the way through. Shavers was throwing his bombs from the first rounds, Ali not only took them but rallied late to just edge Shavers out. Well edited too.

Ali had already started to slow both physically and verbally, this of course continued until finally diagnosed as Parkinsons.

Universal 8 made good sales from their boxing films relying on recent fights to spearhead their catalog unlike many others that used often very old fights. The U8 full colour covers were much better than their stylised almost B & W covers on other releases.

David

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on December 15, 2007, 09:02 PM:

Gosh, and this doesn't even include Universal 8's hsort subject cartoon releases!

Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on December 18, 2007, 03:47 PM:

[ August 07, 2008, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Andreas Eggeling ]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on December 18, 2007, 10:37 PM:

Even, their catalog (Universal 8) has shown a slight fade or at least pale! [Big Grin]

cheers,

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 20, 2007, 09:17 AM:

Got my print from Blackpool FCC when Derann Derann got a cartload of Universal 8 flicks and they were selling then very cheaply in the 90’s. Think we paid £14.99 if memory serves me right. Colour is now poor which matches the editing of it.

A few us locals bagged up on Universal 8 films and this was a bargain basement time for us all here in the UK and Derann looked after us very much that day. All films were new and un projected by the way.

Blues Brothers must be good coz no one has done a review of it yet!

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on December 20, 2007, 05:13 PM:

Lee-

I'll try and post a review on "The Blues Brothers" 2 x 400 foot digest over the next few days (My Christmas gift to the 8mm Forum [Big Grin]

).

James.

Merry Christmas!!!

Posted by Eberhard Nuffer (Member # 410) on February 18, 2008, 06:45 AM:

In Scott MacGillivrays book "Castle Films - A Hobbyist's Guide" I read that "Universal 8" started business in April 1977 with thirteen new 400-footers. Four of them were comedies (A&C: #4007, 4008, W.C. Fields: 4010, Marx Brothers: 4011), but which were the other nine 400-footers? Does anybody have the 1977 catalogue so he can tell?

Thanks,

Eberhard

Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on October 30, 2009, 03:48 AM:

Recently I have been sorting through some of my Super 8 digests and deciding what to keep and what to sell (to make room for more Derann, CHC and ebay purchases!).

I have come to the following conclusions:

4200 series - seem to suffer the worst from fade, some I have are almost black and white now!

4400 series - these boxing films have held up very well. A few of these that I bought new show very little fade at all.

7000 series - I have about 8 of these and all show some fade, but are still not too bad in most cases; nowhere near as bad as the 4200 series.

These observations may have to do with when they were produced, but certainly you could buy the 4200 and 4400 at the same time and they were still available when the 7000 were released in Australia.

Perhaps the 4200 series I have were old stock when I bought them around late 1970's early 1980's? Their colour was mostly good then however - although Sweet Charity was less than vivid from new.

The list of each series and their releases is above.

David

Posted by Marshall Crist (Member # 1312) on February 07, 2010, 11:30 PM:

Eberhard, I think the first 13 were 4001-4013 (see post #8 of this thread.) I remember my friend bought PSYCHO when it came out. First U8 400'er I laid eyes on.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I seem to recall DR. CYCLOPS, THIS ISLAND EARTH, CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON and IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE coming out immediately as well, so maybe what seemed like the first batch to me was actually the first two groups.

Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on March 01, 2010, 04:44 AM:

Do the missing 4200 series titles listed here mean they were never produced, or we just don't know what films they were?

I would have thought given the large collections worldwide by these forum members that we would have nailed down the blanks by now.

David

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 01, 2010, 05:40 PM:

David,

I've added 4243 (400' version of Battlestar Galactica) and 4247 (400' version of Animal House).
I think we're practically finished. I believe U-8 reserved some of the 4200 numbers for proposed 400' titles that ended up being released only as 2x400s.

Doug

Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on March 02, 2010, 03:25 AM:

Thanks Doug, I knew I saw a 400ft Battlestar years ago. I kept telling myself it must have been a pt 1 of 2.

David

Posted by Carter Bradley (Member # 984) on February 03, 2018, 01:41 PM:

The 1978 catalog was actually printed and copyrighted in 1977, therefore I don't believe there was a 1977 catalog as such. The 1978 catalog even includes a statement announcing that Castle Films has now become Universal 8. In addition to 400 footers of previous Castle Films 200 editions (The Incredible Shrinking Man, The Invisible Man, Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein, The Wolfman, Dracula, Abbott & Costello in Society, Abbott & Costello Meet the Keystone Cops, Psycho, Frenzy, W.C.Fields' Its A Gift, Marx Brothers' Monkey Business, Dr. Cyclops, and The Creature from the Black Lagoon in 3D), new 400 footers available for the first time were The Birds, The Day of the Jackal, Thoroughly Modern Millie, Airport, Sweet Charity, That Man Bolt, The Don Is Dead, Charley Varick, SSSSSSS, Jesus Christ Superstar, My Name is Nobody, Duel, The Great Waldo Pepper, The Eiger Sanction, Earthquake, This Island Earth, and Pirate Treasure (12 individual chapters). This is the only catalog Pirate Treasure appears in, since it was withdrawn the next year and does not appear in the 1979 catalog. It also seems that shortly before the 1978 catalog Universal 8 made the decision to discontinue their 50' headline edition line even though some artwork had been developed. This film box artwork appears on their 7 "Best Of" series which included 8 headline editions spliced together to form 400' silent editions of The Best of Horror (parts one and two), W.C.Fields, Woody Woodpecker (parts one and two), and Abbott & Costello (parts one and two). It is interesting to note that the Woody Woodpecker short "Buccaneer Woodpecker" was never available in Super 8 and does not appear in the 1976 catalog, so it is rare indeed to be included on the "Best of Woody Woodpecker" part one reel.

Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on February 03, 2018, 04:39 PM:

The final 50'editions were white and purple, almost like a xerox of former boxes - all S8 Silent of course, Shorty

Posted by Stuart Finkelstein (Member # 2380) on January 05, 2019, 03:55 PM:

4801 is Assault On Everest

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